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Ian Stevens sent me a link to a review of this book by Tom Clark at Naturalism.org. I already had spotted its existence at Deric Bownds Mindblog. Deric is doing chapter by chapter abstracts, one each day.
I can hardly wait to get my hands on this book. I have a few things to do before I can order and read it, like move my life to a new province, but I definitely look forward to getting settled again just so I can obtain and read this - it'll be the first new book in my new library, I expect. Some tidbits. From Clark's review: Quote:
1. Metzinger: introduction to "The Ego Tunnel" Excerpt: Quote:
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I love this stuff, Diane. I wish I could condense it to help my patients (and quite a few of my colleagues) understand the notion of "perceived and constructed reality". It would so help them understand the concept of persistent pain - as well as many other things.....
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Hmmmm.... I love this stuff too but it really makes my head spin!
I remember when I first realized that the feeling of different textures was actually happenning in my brain- not in my fingers. The fingers 'experience' nerve impulses the brain creates a "texture experience" based on these impulses and then creates the perception that we feel that in the place where the signals come from (the fingers). I actually spent an hour or so trying to feel the texture in my head not in my hand. But of course you can't. No more than you can experience 'seeing' in your occipital lobe instead of 'out of your eyes'. Then you think that the brain is actually creating the perception of me being a 'concious me' in much the same way- and then you start wondering who and what we really are. Or if we are anything at all. And then my head starts spinning! Good stuff. |
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Bas, Damasio had the clearest take on all this feedforward stuff, I think.
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Today Bownds skipped over to Chapter 8 and abstracted it; Consciousness Technologies and the image of humankind.
Dark little chapter, this one, by the look of it. ![]() I would hope Metzinger remembers that correlation does not equal causation.
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Non-pathological persistent pain is a great example of our ill-conceived perceptions. Even the well-known 'I am, therefore I think', devised to correct Descartes' erronous assumption, doesn't sit well because of the "I am" bit.... Nari |
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Ultimately, Descartes may be more right than wrong with his "Cogito ergo sum". If we equate "cogito" (think) with cognition:
Our sense of identity comes from the interplay between our surroundings and our processing of in- and output - it is the sum of our cognitive processes that give us our "self".
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That's what I was starting to think (pun intended) too. I wonder if Descartes did have premonitions of consciousness vs nonconsciousness.
Will see if I can find something... Nari |
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Diane,
I'm not sure what this is in reference to exactly, Quote:
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Hi Jon,
I was thinking more about the gloom he paints in Chapter 8.
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Not gloom. Suspense. Chapter 9 brings the relief. Or at least the set up for the sequel.
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"I did a small amount of web-based research, and what I found is disturbing"--Bob Morris Last edited by Jon Newman; 05-07-2009 at 02:15 AM. |
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Here is Deric's abstract of Chapter 9. You're right Jon, this chapter is less bleak.
Metzinger: A new kind of ethics. Excerpt: Quote:
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Here is something that ties in to Chapter 8 and 9, also via Deric.
THE SYNCHRONIZATION OF BRAINS, by Jamshed Bharucha, at Edge.com. Excerpt: Quote:
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Here is a link to a paper about linkage inside one brain at a time: Efficiency of Functional Brain Networks and Intellectual Performance.
Another thank you to Deric.
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Speaking of Hitchcock (post 11)--Check out how Hitchcock fairs in neurocinematics--via the Neurocritic.
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I just found this TED talk with Thomas Metzinger. 17 interesting minutes.
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