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[bernard]

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Here is all you need to know about good and bad tendencies.

[fapt]

I got it Bernard.
Thanks a lot!!

[goks2011]

Originally Posted by bernard

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Here is all you need to know about good and bad tendencies.

hi thanks to this give me additional knowledge about chiropractic

[joebrence9]

Wow....I just read "Why I quit chiropractic" written by the sites admin....and again "WOW"...

[Jackson]

This is quite an eye opener. I don't have more than a general knowledge about chiropractic care, mainly from patients that have seen chiro or the occasional chiro referral, but I would have thought that they would have better training in DD than this! Perhaps they are the ones that should be required to have referral to treat rather than PT. Kidding, of course, but strange that PT seems to get more training in DD, yet still must be seen by a physician prior to treatment for the most part.

Nick

[joebrence9]

Perhaps they are the ones that should be required to have referral to treat rather than PT. Kidding, of course, but strange that PT seems to get more training in DD, yet still must be seen by a physician prior to treatment for the most part.

Don't be kidding Jackson. They SHOULD require a medical referral but a physician would have to be crazy to refer to them. Their profession is worthless to modern medicine. Not sure where you are from, but PTs in many states are allowed to practice independent of medical referral via direct access.

I am not sure if you are familiar with applied kinesiology, but if you aren't, look up some videos on it on Youtube. You will be surprised on how some chiro's conclude that an organ is dysfunctional.

[Jackson]

[QUOTE=joebrence9;108703]sure where you are from, but PTs in many states are allowed to practice independent of medical referral via direct access.[QUOTE]

I practice in Tennessee and we have limited direct access (6 visits in 15 days). I've seen a handful of direct access patients, but still not a whole lot commercial payers that reimburse without referral as well as public knowledge of this.

Nick

[amacs]

Makes for grim reading - I do wonder if physio is different enough not to sink into this kind quagmire.

regards

ANdy

[DAS-PTA]

Why is Chiropractic able to sustain itself when so many of it's initial concepts are shown to be flawed?It seems like it would be as simple as showing the flaws in homeopathy.Do they just have better lobbyist than the APTA?
Thank you for the link! Dave

[Bas Asselbergs]

DAve, have you ever heard how popular homeopathy still is in western Europe? Science be damned: they even have health plans covering the cost of this "water"!

Do you know how poor the science is supporting the use of ultrasound on spinal structures? Yet in this town alone, there are three clinics using US as a go-to modality for LBP. APTA is still a bit in a glass house....

There are still many people who can be easily duped into believing that their child's middle ear infection, their son's ADD, their daughter's asthma, their allergies, their back pain are all results of "subluxations". Too many people.

[Nemo]

Don't be fooled. These are not minority held, "fringe" beliefs by chiropractors as many of the deceptive chiropractic "reformers" would like you to believe.

Here's a good snapshot of what's going on through the eyes of the National Board of Chiropractic Examiners:

http://www.nbce.org/pdfs/practice-an...chapter_08.pdf

Note how many conditions are diagnosed as a subluxation and how the Examiners themselves promote "subluxation correction" for conditions such as endocrine disorders (etc.)

[Jackson]

"Childhood Disorders

Upper respiratory or ear infections are rarely seen in chiropractic practice. However,
when respondents did report seeing such conditions, 48% reported making the diagnosis in
the majority of these cases. Sixty-two percent of chiropractors co-manage their patients with
another provider, and 22% act as sole providers for the majority of their patients with upper
respiratory or ear infections.
Infantile colic is rarely seen in chiropractic practice, but 41% of respondents act as sole
providers for this condition in the majority of cases seen. Other childhood infectious diseases
and children with parasites are virtually never seen.

Data for childhood disorders appear in Table 8.16."

There is so much more wrong with this, but I got to this part and had to speak! How do 48% of chiropractors make the diagnosis of upper respiratory and ear infections in a majority of cases? Didn't a parent have to bring them to the chiropractor with this at least in mind? And how did they diagnosis this? I'm not a physician, but I've had a child with ear infections, and the pediatrician ALWAYS looks in the ears to diagnose. Do chiros do this? And how do they treat infant colic?

I'll have to digest and ponder the rest of this.

[Diane]

Hi Nemo,
We have a Welcome Forum, where new members can start a thread, introduce themselves, tell us a bit about what they do, etc.

[John W]

I'll have to digest and ponder the rest of this.

Don't chew on and think about it too much, Jackson. No matter which way or how many times you slice it, chiropractic is founded on half-baked theories and outright lies.

Why anyone in this era of such readily available, high quality information would choose this as a career is beyond me. The crap available on youtube alone should be enough to dissuade any reasonable person from making such a huge mistake.

The operative word there is "reasonable".