Intro

nobsfitness · 01-12-2011, 06:04 AM

Hi Guys,

I joined up because I really got tired of forums that provided pseduo evidence based approach within the fitness world. Instead they choose to promote "expert/guru" opinions, false positive logic (i.e. that sounds logical) and cult like mentality.

I've been in the fitness industry for over 10 years now. As most of you experience or know we are an industry that loves the latest fad or gimmick that apparently gets people healthier or perform better. It's just been totally frustrating talking to the credulous individuals in my field on the new "it" thing they embraced.

I'm happy to have joined this forum as I'm also finishing up my Master's program in human movement. This quarter I have classes titled Human Movement Dysfunction and Postural Assessment.

Guess what our readings and discussions have to deal with the FMS, Sahrmann, Janda, NASM... The classes have only been open for 2 days and some of the posts already stated, "FMS is backed by a lot of research." Seriously? I feel I'm going to have a lot of headaches dealing with my classmates.

I definitely feel like I came to the write place where there are like minded individuals. Looking forward to all the critical thought process that I'll be going through.

Regards,
Randy Gruezo

**bernard** · 01-12-2011, 06:37 AM

You're welcome, Randy.

**Karen L** · 01-12-2011, 07:15 AM

Randy it was nice to ready your intro. You'll find a few people here with careers in fitness or coaching. Keep reading and asking questions. You'll notice a few current related fitness related post.

Karen Lines RMT

**Bas Asselbergs** · 01-12-2011, 11:19 AM

Hi Randy - welcome to the place where you will not get any help getting more popular with your colleagues

Seriously, use the "Search" function or ask away for links and such; we have picked at FMS, Sahrmann and most every "method" or fad......

**zimney3pt** · 01-12-2011, 05:11 PM

Welcome to SS, Randy. Glad to have you hear.

Sorry to hear of the headaches that you might have to endure with going through your classes, hopefully you can come hear and let off some steam occasionally with a rant if needed. A few of us have done that at times.

nobsfitness · 01-12-2011, 06:19 PM

Kory,

That's exactly what I plan on doing LOL.

nobsfitness · 01-12-2011, 06:21 PM

Hi Bas,

I've been reading a lot of your thread along with Benard. That's awesome you guys post everywhere. However, sucks for me. The last 2 nights that I've been in somasimple I haven't slept till past 5am because I've been catching up on all your posts.

To say the least my mind has been a sponge. I haven't felt this alive in my studies for a long time.

Looking forward to more interactions with you.

Randy Gruezo

P.S. By the way my goal was to never get popular with my classmates :-) I just hope I get graded for my content instead of going along with the rest of the crowd.

nobsfitness · 01-12-2011, 06:27 PM

Bernard,

Thanks for the welcome. Coincidentally I'm reading your sticky post on Posture. My text reading for my class is Sahrmann's, Movement Impairment Syndrome. So already I started writing down questions just by reading pages 3-6.

Apparent her perspective is that of a biomechanical pain model.

This is such fascinating stuff.

Looking forward to reading more from you.

Randy Gruezo

nobsfitness · 01-12-2011, 06:47 PM

Hi Karen,

Thanks for the welcome.

Yeah I've been up till wee hours of the morning reading the content related to fitness.

Although I'm not a PT I find what you do extremely interesting. My fiancee is a PT herself and I always ask her questions. Don't know if she likes answering, but then again at least we have something to talk about :-)

My major gripe with the fitness industry is the introduction of what I see as PT/Clinical based techniques, assessment, philosophy to otherwise healthy population.

I never grasped NASM (although reluctantly I'm certified by them. Whatever that means), FMS, etc etc.

That's why I'm here to further my knowledge and understanding so I can do what I do best which is S & C and leave you guys to do what you do best.

Randy Gruezo

**Barrett Dorko** · 01-12-2011, 07:00 PM

Welcome Randy. I trust you have a helmet.

nobsfitness · 01-12-2011, 07:04 PM

Barrett,

I like living on the edge. No helmet necessary LOL

Randy Gruezo

nobsfitness · 01-12-2011, 07:13 PM

Can anyone help me out here... I checked on the FAQ and the CP tab but I can't find how do I get automatically updated if someone responds to a thread that I posted in or just how to subscribe to a thread.

Maybe I just can't see it? If anyone can help that would be much appreciated.

Randy Gruezo

**John W** · 01-12-2011, 07:32 PM

Welcome Randy.

The "Thread Tools" scroll down list is at the top right of the thread comment window. Click on it and you'll see an option "Subscribe to Thread". Select it and then you'll get an email notice when there's a new post in that thread.

nobsfitness · 01-12-2011, 07:44 PM

Thanks John,

Appreciate it. Makes it so much simple than bookmarking thread on web browser.

Randy Gruezo

**Bas Asselbergs** · 01-12-2011, 08:15 PM

Good on you - your life will be indeed much, much livelier. Few friends, no sleep, lots of caffeine, angy believers arguing about your "attacks" of their golden calf...
However, the benefits are: an ever better BS-filter, the recipients of your practical work will be much better for it, and that face in the mirror is one of the more ethical and educated ones!

**amacs** · 01-12-2011, 08:35 PM

Welcome Randy - do allow enough time to assimilate material or you'll go mad - I think I have

ANdy

ginger · 02-12-2011, 03:42 AM

Hello Randy, welcome to SS, where the fearless BS hunters dwell.
Cheers
G

nobsfitness · 02-12-2011, 08:58 PM

Thank you Geoff and Andy for the welcome. Looking forward to sleepless nights and headaches researching, discussing, and applying the knowledge I will gain from this site.

Randy Gruezo

docjohn · 03-12-2011, 03:33 AM

stow your ego, open your mind, and think before you use literary projectile vomitus as a defense.
it has worked for me...two ears, and one mouth (but two hands to type with...perplexing extrapolation eh'?)
well, off to a tasty guiness!
welcome!
John

nobsfitness · 05-12-2011, 01:33 AM

Hi Jon,

Thank you for the welcome... Ha ha...I have to use that one day, "literary projectile vomitus." Two hands for the opportunity two hold two Guinesses :-)

Ben Sabo · 07-12-2011, 03:02 PM

Hi Randy,

The Sahrmann text may possibly be summarized with two sentences: "Completely ignore the nervous system. The brain is irrelevant to musculoskeletal function or pain." No, that won't be on the test!

I never expected to learn that the foundation for the world of FMS, and NASM, etc. rests on the backs of turtles and elephants. If not for all the hype about corrective exercise, though, I'm not sure I would have asked the questions that led me to SomaSimple. I'm glad whenever I see someone else in the fitness industry asking the same questions... or asking any questions!

01-12-2011, 06:04 AM	#1
nobsfitness Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: New York, NY Posts: 17 Thanks: 14 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Intro Hi Guys, I joined up because I really got tired of forums that provided pseduo evidence based approach within the fitness world. Instead they choose to promote "expert/guru" opinions, false positive logic (i.e. that sounds logical) and cult like mentality. I've been in the fitness industry for over 10 years now. As most of you experience or know we are an industry that loves the latest fad or gimmick that apparently gets people healthier or perform better. It's just been totally frustrating talking to the credulous individuals in my field on the new "it" thing they embraced. I'm happy to have joined this forum as I'm also finishing up my Master's program in human movement. This quarter I have classes titled Human Movement Dysfunction and Postural Assessment. Guess what our readings and discussions have to deal with the FMS, Sahrmann, Janda, NASM... The classes have only been open for 2 days and some of the posts already stated, "FMS is backed by a lot of research." Seriously? I feel I'm going to have a lot of headaches dealing with my classmates. I definitely feel like I came to the write place where there are like minded individuals. Looking forward to all the critical thought process that I'll be going through. Regards, Randy Gruezo

01-12-2011, 06:37 AM	#2
bernard Admin, Moderator... Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: France Age: 56 Posts: 12,015 Thanks: 244 Thanked 142 Times in 93 Posts	You're welcome, Randy. __________________ Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication. L VINCI We are to admit no more causes of natural things than such as are both true and sufficient to explain their appearances. I NEWTON Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not a bit simpler. If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough. Albert Einstein bernard

01-12-2011, 11:19 AM	#4
Bas Asselbergs Physiotherapist Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Canada Age: 61 Posts: 3,696 Thanks: 841 Thanked 485 Times in 234 Posts	Hi Randy - welcome to the place where you will not get any help getting more popular with your colleagues Seriously, use the "Search" function or ask away for links and such; we have picked at FMS, Sahrmann and most every "method" or fad...... __________________ We don't see things as they are, we see things as WE are - Anais Nin Pain is a conscious correlate of the implicit perception of threat to body tissue - Lorimer Moseley

01-12-2011, 05:11 PM	#5
zimney3pt life long learner, clinician, and instructor Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Sioux City, IA Age: 43 Posts: 1,902 Thanks: 149 Thanked 677 Times in 265 Posts	Welcome to SS, Randy. Glad to have you hear. Sorry to hear of the headaches that you might have to endure with going through your classes, hopefully you can come hear and let off some steam occasionally with a rant if needed. A few of us have done that at times. __________________ Kory Zimney, PT, DPT http://koryzimney.blogspot.com "Study principles not methods, a mind that can grasp principles will create its own methods." - Gill "All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them." - Galileo Galilei

01-12-2011, 06:21 PM	#7
nobsfitness Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: New York, NY Posts: 17 Thanks: 14 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Hi Bas, I've been reading a lot of your thread along with Benard. That's awesome you guys post everywhere. However, sucks for me. The last 2 nights that I've been in somasimple I haven't slept till past 5am because I've been catching up on all your posts. To say the least my mind has been a sponge. I haven't felt this alive in my studies for a long time. Looking forward to more interactions with you. Randy Gruezo P.S. By the way my goal was to never get popular with my classmates :-) I just hope I get graded for my content instead of going along with the rest of the crowd. Last edited by nobsfitness; 01-12-2011 at 06:24 PM. Reason: pressed send to early.

01-12-2011, 07:15 AM	#3
Karen L Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Victoria Canada Posts: 1,521 Thanks: 39 Thanked 222 Times in 111 Posts	Randy it was nice to ready your intro. You'll find a few people here with careers in fitness or coaching. Keep reading and asking questions. You'll notice a few current related fitness related post. Karen Lines RMT

01-12-2011, 06:19 PM	#6
nobsfitness Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: New York, NY Posts: 17 Thanks: 14 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Kory, That's exactly what I plan on doing LOL.

01-12-2011, 06:27 PM	#8
nobsfitness Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: New York, NY Posts: 17 Thanks: 14 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Bernard, Thanks for the welcome. Coincidentally I'm reading your sticky post on Posture. My text reading for my class is Sahrmann's, Movement Impairment Syndrome. So already I started writing down questions just by reading pages 3-6. Apparent her perspective is that of a biomechanical pain model. This is such fascinating stuff. Looking forward to reading more from you. Randy Gruezo

01-12-2011, 06:47 PM	#9
nobsfitness Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: New York, NY Posts: 17 Thanks: 14 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Hi Karen, Thanks for the welcome. Yeah I've been up till wee hours of the morning reading the content related to fitness. Although I'm not a PT I find what you do extremely interesting. My fiancee is a PT herself and I always ask her questions. Don't know if she likes answering, but then again at least we have something to talk about :-) My major gripe with the fitness industry is the introduction of what I see as PT/Clinical based techniques, assessment, philosophy to otherwise healthy population. I never grasped NASM (although reluctantly I'm certified by them. Whatever that means), FMS, etc etc. That's why I'm here to further my knowledge and understanding so I can do what I do best which is S & C and leave you guys to do what you do best. Randy Gruezo

01-12-2011, 07:00 PM	#10
Barrett Dorko Writer and Clinician Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Cuyahoga Falls, Ohio Age: 61 Posts: 12,689 Thanks: 616 Thanked 1,488 Times in 873 Posts	Welcome Randy. I trust you have a helmet. __________________ Barrett L. Dorko P.T. www.barrettdorko.com

01-12-2011, 07:04 PM	#11
nobsfitness Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: New York, NY Posts: 17 Thanks: 14 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Barrett, I like living on the edge. No helmet necessary LOL Randy Gruezo

01-12-2011, 07:13 PM	#12
nobsfitness Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: New York, NY Posts: 17 Thanks: 14 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Can anyone help me out here... I checked on the FAQ and the CP tab but I can't find how do I get automatically updated if someone responds to a thread that I posted in or just how to subscribe to a thread. Maybe I just can't see it? If anyone can help that would be much appreciated. Randy Gruezo

01-12-2011, 07:32 PM	#13
John W Harmless creampuff Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: New Orleans, LA Age: 48 Posts: 4,643 Thanks: 620 Thanked 966 Times in 436 Posts	Welcome Randy. The "Thread Tools" scroll down list is at the top right of the thread comment window. Click on it and you'll see an option "Subscribe to Thread". Select it and then you'll get an email notice when there's a new post in that thread. __________________ John Ware, PT Fellow of the American Academy of Orthopedic Manual Physical Therapists "Nothing can bring a man peace but the triumph of principles." -R.W. Emerson “If names be not correct, language is not in accordance with the truth of things. If language be not in accordance with the truth of things, affairs cannot be carried on to success.” -The Analects of Confucius, Book 13, Verse 3

01-12-2011, 07:44 PM	#14
nobsfitness Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: New York, NY Posts: 17 Thanks: 14 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thanks John, Appreciate it. Makes it so much simple than bookmarking thread on web browser. Randy Gruezo

01-12-2011, 08:15 PM	#15
Bas Asselbergs Physiotherapist Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Canada Age: 61 Posts: 3,696 Thanks: 841 Thanked 485 Times in 234 Posts	Good on you - your life will be indeed much, much livelier. Few friends, no sleep, lots of caffeine, angy believers arguing about your "attacks" of their golden calf... However, the benefits are: an ever better BS-filter, the recipients of your practical work will be much better for it, and that face in the mirror is one of the more ethical and educated ones! __________________ We don't see things as they are, we see things as WE are - Anais Nin Pain is a conscious correlate of the implicit perception of threat to body tissue - Lorimer Moseley

01-12-2011, 08:35 PM	#16
amacs A bear of little brain Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: UK Posts: 1,397 Thanks: 175 Thanked 255 Times in 128 Posts	Welcome Randy - do allow enough time to assimilate material or you'll go mad - I think I have ANdy __________________ "Here is Edward Bear coming downstairs now, bump, bump, bump, on the back of his head behind Christopher Robin. It is, as far as he knows, the only way of coming downstairs, but sometimes he feels that there is another way, if only he could stop bumping for a moment and think of it." A.A. Milne

02-12-2011, 03:42 AM	#17
ginger sproinger Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: melbourne australia Age: 60 Posts: 505 Thanks: 10 Thanked 17 Times in 10 Posts	Hello Randy, welcome to SS, where the fearless BS hunters dwell. Cheers G __________________ vox clamantis in deserto Geoff Fisher Physiotherapist

02-12-2011, 08:58 PM	#18
nobsfitness Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: New York, NY Posts: 17 Thanks: 14 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thank you Geoff and Andy for the welcome. Looking forward to sleepless nights and headaches researching, discussing, and applying the knowledge I will gain from this site. Randy Gruezo

03-12-2011, 03:33 AM	#19
docjohn Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Boston, USA Posts: 76 Thanks: 3 Thanked 18 Times in 8 Posts	stow your ego, open your mind, and think before you use literary projectile vomitus as a defense. it has worked for me...two ears, and one mouth (but two hands to type with...perplexing extrapolation eh'?) well, off to a tasty guiness! welcome! John

05-12-2011, 01:33 AM	#20
nobsfitness Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: New York, NY Posts: 17 Thanks: 14 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Hi Jon, Thank you for the welcome... Ha ha...I have to use that one day, "literary projectile vomitus." Two hands for the opportunity two hold two Guinesses :-)

07-12-2011, 03:02 PM	#21
Ben Sabo Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: New Jersey, USA Age: 37 Posts: 108 Thanks: 34 Thanked 44 Times in 17 Posts	Hi Randy, The Sahrmann text may possibly be summarized with two sentences: "Completely ignore the nervous system. The brain is irrelevant to musculoskeletal function or pain." No, that won't be on the test! I never expected to learn that the foundation for the world of FMS, and NASM, etc. rests on the backs of turtles and elephants. If not for all the hype about corrective exercise, though, I'm not sure I would have asked the questions that led me to SomaSimple. I'm glad whenever I see someone else in the fitness industry asking the same questions... or asking any questions!

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