Yes you can ...

Marc · 16-01-2012, 12:15 PM

The boss, because of a decision of justice, needs financial assistance.
You can help him: make a donation.

**bernard** · 16-01-2012, 02:17 PM

Once upon a time (it was in 2005), I was told there was a new method that may cure anything. I was already dubious about such a claim but I studied the theory behind the method and found it was not scientifically based.

I told it to the founders but they did not appreciated the fact. They brought the lawyers on the scene and began a battle I have no good chance to win: I was poor, they had money.

Justice is often blind to facts.

Now, I must pay but I'm not guilty but they said I must either pay.

If you want the site continue to exist and pseudoscience may be decrypted then help us with a donation.

Thanks in advance.

Sheffphysio · 16-01-2012, 02:27 PM

I’m sorry to hear about these problems.

Have you gone to the Press? In the U.K Simon Singh had a similar problem with chiropractors which he eventually won with big press coverage. It did cost him a substantial amount of his own money I believe. Ben Goldache in the U.K is good for bringing attention to big companies bullying people

**Diane** · 16-01-2012, 03:09 PM

I checked the exchange rate, and a euro is under a dollar.

My best to you Bernard.

**Mabo** · 16-01-2012, 03:36 PM

wrong Diana: for 1 Euro you must pay 1,2700 USDollar

Marc

**Diane** · 16-01-2012, 03:39 PM

I googled today and saw this - it's what I was referring to.
I guess we'll find out after you calculate my donation.

**Diane** · 16-01-2012, 10:09 PM

It costs $128 and change (CAD) to contribute 100 Euros.
Somasimple/Bernard is definitely worth a splurge of card kindness.

IsraelHalperin · 17-01-2012, 08:14 AM

Hi. I will donate no matter what the cause is, this forum had a HUGE impact on my life, but I am curious to learn what exactly I am donating for.

**Diane** · 17-01-2012, 01:57 PM

Long story short:

1. In 2005 Bernard asked questions of a group who espoused yet another (millionth?) mesodermal (meat) theory/operator model, and managed to irritate them. Imagine that!

2. Anyway, they sued him.

3. The case oozed through the French judiciary system.

4. Bernard lost his battle.

Now, in 2012, he must pay some money to these... people.

5. He lost the battle but the war itself, however, will never, ever be over.

6. Bernard has maintained this site mostly all on his own, financially, since 2004. He needs all the help he can get to help to keep it going this year.

Does that help?

IsraelHalperin · 17-01-2012, 08:32 PM

Unbelievable. This makes both sad and angry.

Perhaps it's not much, but I became a "solider" of this war too ever since I was exposed to this site. The future doesn't look too bright for us, and we are certainly outnumbered, but one thing is for sure - the members here are "special forces" materiel, and will not stop fighting until their last breath.

Good luck.

Sheffphysio · 17-01-2012, 08:53 PM

Sounds horrendous and I truly and sorry.

European freedom of speech laws need addressing.

Jon Newman · 17-01-2012, 10:00 PM

One thing that actually gets people's attention is when you vote with your dollars. If you get more useful information from this site than from your professional organization, consider redirecting your dollars to where they'll be working for you.

**Diane** · 18-01-2012, 12:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jon Newman

One thing that actually gets people's attention is when you vote with your dollars. If you get more useful information from this site than from your professional organization, consider redirecting your dollars to where they'll be working for you.

AGREE!

The options (when you click on the "donate" banner), include a contribution of as little as five Euros. Not a lot, but every little bit helps.

**bernard** · 18-01-2012, 07:18 AM

Thanks for the support.

In 2005, I was young at these discussion lists. Now, I'm a bit wiser.
When you're wrong there is a way to contradict those who're right: Money. I have not the second but I had some truth/fact to spread/seed.
Truth does not matter in first instance. The secret must be preserved because it maintains good gains/revenues.

The method remains unscientifically proven since 1980. But as would say their founders, in the actual state of the science there is no valid explanation because science can not explain it actually.

I have another explanation based on facts, science and physics. I stated it in 2005 but a vicious judgment put me in a silent state: I was unable to use/word/phrase anything about them until its legal conclusion.

So I/we lost some money but did really lost anything else? I able to say every morning in front of the mirror: Come on guy, it hurts but it is necessary to promote a good, logic and explainable practice.

**Aoibhean** · 18-01-2012, 10:43 AM

Shocker. Thank you for this site Bernard.
http://www.senseaboutscience.org/pag...f-science.html

Marc · 21-01-2012, 07:53 AM

If each member coming today on Somasimple would give only 10 euros, the amount would be more than 1500 euros.
We are far from the goal

What are these 10 euros compared with the information you can find here?

**Diane** · 21-01-2012, 09:42 AM

Why are some contributions still "unconfirmed"? The total should be higher than it is at the moment, because so many contributions remain "unconfirmed". Is this a paypal issue?

**Diane** · 22-01-2012, 03:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Diane

Why are some contributions still "unconfirmed"? The total should be higher than it is at the moment, because so many contributions remain "unconfirmed". Is this a paypal issue?

Can someone explain?

Meanwhile, donate!

**byronselorme** · 22-01-2012, 05:03 PM

I have donated 50 euro, not showing yet though????

**Diane** · 22-01-2012, 05:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by byronselorme

I have donated 50 euro, not showing yet though????

No, your donation is still in green, which means "unconfirmed". You can check progress by viewing the page I linked to, accessible in the "donation goal" menu, in the Donate banner, above the post index.

Marc · 22-01-2012, 06:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by byronselorme

I have donated 50 euro, not showing yet though????

Hi Byron,
Your donation does not appear? Mine so! What's the problem?
You've made a beautiful act.
The only thing I can say is just a very big "thank you".
You give a very big help to Bernard

**byronselorme** · 22-01-2012, 07:34 PM

Hi Marc,

I only was making sure that I did not make a mistake.
I hope everyone else is donating some portion of what they have received. I think my portion was at a ratio of about 1,000,000,000:1 for what I received in return.

Keep fighting guys!

**Diane** · 22-01-2012, 09:48 PM

I guess the counter will catch up, one of these days, confirm then match the actual amount that's been donated.

So, continue to DONATE!

**caro** · 23-01-2012, 02:09 AM

Well I have every confidence Bernard will reach his goal.

(After all, Somasimple is a place where you signal your appreciation of someone's post with a button that says Thanks

which is a contraction of thank you as opposed to FB's Like button, which is a contraction of I like.

)

**bernard** · 23-01-2012, 06:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by byronselorme

I have donated 50 euro, not showing yet though????

I receive an email when a donation is made via paypal and every member who donates receive a private message telling him the donation is confirmed.

Thanks to all who support the site.

**bernard** · 23-01-2012, 08:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marc

Mine so! What's the problem?

Marc, the donation you made cannot be seen since you made it before I launched the donation bar.
I added the amount to a global account (bernard).
I have the same problem with this link:
http://www.somasimple.com/forums/payments.php

Marc · 23-01-2012, 08:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bernard

Marc, the donation you made cannot be seen

It's very well like that

**byronselorme** · 23-01-2012, 02:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bernard

I receive an email when a donation is made via paypal and every member who donates receive a private message telling him the donation is confirmed.

Sorry Bernard. I realize that later.

Nice to see the donation bar move a bit this morning. Hopefully it pushes over 5,000 by the end of this month

**estherderu** · 26-01-2012, 04:28 PM

dear Bernard,

Could you tell us which people (which method) we are talking about.????

I have not heard of this before AT ALL, and we are sort of neighbours....
It might get more interest if we (colleagues around the corner) knew about it.
And have you considered asking the WCPT for help?
Not so much financially but supportively??

please share information... maybe we can do something more

kind regards

Esther

**bernard** · 26-01-2012, 05:20 PM

The whole story could be found here (in French) :
Mise en Demeure

16-01-2012, 12:15 PM	#1
Marc Effer Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: France Normandie Age: 56 Posts: 1,810 Thanks: 43 Thanked 83 Times in 48 Posts	Yes you can ... The boss, because of a decision of justice, needs financial assistance. You can help him: make a donation. __________________ Kay'1 "Il est plus aisé d'être sage pour les autres que de l'être pour soi-même." William Shakespeare

16-01-2012, 02:17 PM	#2
bernard Admin, Moderator... Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: France Age: 56 Posts: 12,029 Thanks: 260 Thanked 157 Times in 97 Posts	Once upon a time (it was in 2005), I was told there was a new method that may cure anything. I was already dubious about such a claim but I studied the theory behind the method and found it was not scientifically based. I told it to the founders but they did not appreciated the fact. They brought the lawyers on the scene and began a battle I have no good chance to win: I was poor, they had money. Justice is often blind to facts. Now, I must pay but I'm not guilty but they said I must either pay. If you want the site continue to exist and pseudoscience may be decrypted then help us with a donation. Thanks in advance. __________________ Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication. L VINCI We are to admit no more causes of natural things than such as are both true and sufficient to explain their appearances. I NEWTON Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not a bit simpler. If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough. Albert Einstein bernard

16-01-2012, 02:27 PM	#3
Sheffphysio Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Sheffield, UK Age: 34 Posts: 620 Thanks: 97 Thanked 244 Times in 98 Posts	I’m sorry to hear about these problems. Have you gone to the Press? In the U.K Simon Singh had a similar problem with chiropractors which he eventually won with big press coverage. It did cost him a substantial amount of his own money I believe. Ben Goldache in the U.K is good for bringing attention to big companies bullying people __________________ Dave Nolan Last edited by Sheffphysio; 16-01-2012 at 03:26 PM.

16-01-2012, 03:09 PM	#4
Diane Human Primate Social Groomer and Neuroelastician Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Weyburn Sask. Posts: 19,812 Thanks: 1,543 Thanked 3,362 Times in 1,627 Posts	I checked the exchange rate, and a euro is under a dollar. My best to you Bernard. __________________ Diane www.dermoneuromodulation.com SensibleSolutionsPhysiotherapy HumanAntiGravitySuit blog Neurotonics PT Teamblog Diane Jacobs.com (personal website) Canadian Physiotherapy Pain Science Division (Archived newsletters) Canadian Physiotherapy Association Pain Science Division Facebook page @PainPhysiosCan WCPT PhysiotherapyPainNetwork on Facebook @WCPTPTPN Neuroscience and Pain Science for Manual PTs Facebook page @dfjpt SomaSimple on Facebook @somasimple "Rene Descartes was very very smart, but as it turned out, he was wrong." ~Lorimer Moseley “Comment is free, but the facts are sacred.” ~Charles Prestwich Scott, nephew of founder and editor (1872-1929) of The Guardian , in a 1921 Centenary editorial “If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love you, but if you really make them think, they'll hate you." ~Don Marquis "In times of change, learners inherit the earth, while the learned find themselves beautifully equipped to deal with a world that no longer exists" ~Roland Barth "Doubt is not a pleasant mental state, but certainty is a ridiculous one."~Voltaire

16-01-2012, 10:09 PM	#7
Diane Human Primate Social Groomer and Neuroelastician Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Weyburn Sask. Posts: 19,812 Thanks: 1,543 Thanked 3,362 Times in 1,627 Posts	It costs $128 and change (CAD) to contribute 100 Euros. Somasimple/Bernard is definitely worth a splurge of card kindness. __________________ Diane www.dermoneuromodulation.com SensibleSolutionsPhysiotherapy HumanAntiGravitySuit blog Neurotonics PT Teamblog Diane Jacobs.com (personal website) Canadian Physiotherapy Pain Science Division (Archived newsletters) Canadian Physiotherapy Association Pain Science Division Facebook page @PainPhysiosCan WCPT PhysiotherapyPainNetwork on Facebook @WCPTPTPN Neuroscience and Pain Science for Manual PTs Facebook page @dfjpt SomaSimple on Facebook @somasimple "Rene Descartes was very very smart, but as it turned out, he was wrong." ~Lorimer Moseley “Comment is free, but the facts are sacred.” ~Charles Prestwich Scott, nephew of founder and editor (1872-1929) of The Guardian , in a 1921 Centenary editorial “If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love you, but if you really make them think, they'll hate you." ~Don Marquis "In times of change, learners inherit the earth, while the learned find themselves beautifully equipped to deal with a world that no longer exists" ~Roland Barth "Doubt is not a pleasant mental state, but certainty is a ridiculous one."~Voltaire

16-01-2012, 03:36 PM	#5
Mabo SomaSimpler Join Date: May 2005 Location: Leuven Age: 58 Posts: 150 Thanks: 391 Thanked 6 Times in 5 Posts	wrong Diana: for 1 Euro you must pay 1,2700 USDollar Marc

17-01-2012, 08:14 AM	#8
IsraelHalperin Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 41 Thanks: 41 Thanked 35 Times in 8 Posts	Hi. I will donate no matter what the cause is, this forum had a HUGE impact on my life, but I am curious to learn what exactly I am donating for.

17-01-2012, 01:57 PM	#9
Diane Human Primate Social Groomer and Neuroelastician Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Weyburn Sask. Posts: 19,812 Thanks: 1,543 Thanked 3,362 Times in 1,627 Posts	Long story short: 1. In 2005 Bernard asked questions of a group who espoused yet another (millionth?) mesodermal (meat) theory/operator model, and managed to irritate them. Imagine that! 2. Anyway, they sued him. 3. The case oozed through the French judiciary system. 4. Bernard lost his battle. Now, in 2012, he must pay some money to these... people. 5. He lost the battle but the war itself, however, will never, ever be over. 6. Bernard has maintained this site mostly all on his own, financially, since 2004. He needs all the help he can get to help to keep it going this year. Does that help? __________________ Diane www.dermoneuromodulation.com SensibleSolutionsPhysiotherapy HumanAntiGravitySuit blog Neurotonics PT Teamblog Diane Jacobs.com (personal website) Canadian Physiotherapy Pain Science Division (Archived newsletters) Canadian Physiotherapy Association Pain Science Division Facebook page @PainPhysiosCan WCPT PhysiotherapyPainNetwork on Facebook @WCPTPTPN Neuroscience and Pain Science for Manual PTs Facebook page @dfjpt SomaSimple on Facebook @somasimple "Rene Descartes was very very smart, but as it turned out, he was wrong." ~Lorimer Moseley “Comment is free, but the facts are sacred.” ~Charles Prestwich Scott, nephew of founder and editor (1872-1929) of The Guardian , in a 1921 Centenary editorial “If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love you, but if you really make them think, they'll hate you." ~Don Marquis "In times of change, learners inherit the earth, while the learned find themselves beautifully equipped to deal with a world that no longer exists" ~Roland Barth "Doubt is not a pleasant mental state, but certainty is a ridiculous one."~Voltaire

17-01-2012, 08:32 PM	#10
IsraelHalperin Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 41 Thanks: 41 Thanked 35 Times in 8 Posts	Unbelievable. This makes both sad and angry. Perhaps it's not much, but I became a "solider" of this war too ever since I was exposed to this site. The future doesn't look too bright for us, and we are certainly outnumbered, but one thing is for sure - the members here are "special forces" materiel, and will not stop fighting until their last breath. Good luck.

17-01-2012, 08:53 PM	#11
Sheffphysio Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Sheffield, UK Age: 34 Posts: 620 Thanks: 97 Thanked 244 Times in 98 Posts	Sounds horrendous and I truly and sorry. European freedom of speech laws need addressing. __________________ Dave Nolan

17-01-2012, 10:00 PM	#12
Jon Newman Enjoy a moment of whimsy Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 9,024 Thanks: 5 Thanked 55 Times in 41 Posts	One thing that actually gets people's attention is when you vote with your dollars. If you get more useful information from this site than from your professional organization, consider redirecting your dollars to where they'll be working for you. __________________ "I did a small amount of web-based research, and what I found is disturbing"--Bob Morris

18-01-2012, 07:18 AM	#14
bernard Admin, Moderator... Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: France Age: 56 Posts: 12,029 Thanks: 260 Thanked 157 Times in 97 Posts	Thanks for the support. In 2005, I was young at these discussion lists. Now, I'm a bit wiser. When you're wrong there is a way to contradict those who're right: Money. I have not the second but I had some truth/fact to spread/seed. Truth does not matter in first instance. The secret must be preserved because it maintains good gains/revenues. The method remains unscientifically proven since 1980. But as would say their founders, in the actual state of the science there is no valid explanation because science can not explain it actually. I have another explanation based on facts, science and physics. I stated it in 2005 but a vicious judgment put me in a silent state: I was unable to use/word/phrase anything about them until its legal conclusion. So I/we lost some money but did really lost anything else? I able to say every morning in front of the mirror: Come on guy, it hurts but it is necessary to promote a good, logic and explainable practice. __________________ Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication. L VINCI We are to admit no more causes of natural things than such as are both true and sufficient to explain their appearances. I NEWTON Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not a bit simpler. If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough. Albert Einstein bernard

18-01-2012, 10:43 AM	#15
Aoibhean SomaSimpler Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 16 Thanks: 3 Thanked 13 Times in 3 Posts	Shocker. Thank you for this site Bernard. http://www.senseaboutscience.org/pag...f-science.html

21-01-2012, 07:53 AM	#16
Marc Effer Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: France Normandie Age: 56 Posts: 1,810 Thanks: 43 Thanked 83 Times in 48 Posts	If each member coming today on Somasimple would give only 10 euros, the amount would be more than 1500 euros. We are far from the goal What are these 10 euros compared with the information you can find here? __________________ Kay'1 "Il est plus aisé d'être sage pour les autres que de l'être pour soi-même." William Shakespeare

21-01-2012, 09:42 AM	#17
Diane Human Primate Social Groomer and Neuroelastician Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Weyburn Sask. Posts: 19,812 Thanks: 1,543 Thanked 3,362 Times in 1,627 Posts	Why are some contributions still "unconfirmed"? The total should be higher than it is at the moment, because so many contributions remain "unconfirmed". Is this a paypal issue? __________________ Diane www.dermoneuromodulation.com SensibleSolutionsPhysiotherapy HumanAntiGravitySuit blog Neurotonics PT Teamblog Diane Jacobs.com (personal website) Canadian Physiotherapy Pain Science Division (Archived newsletters) Canadian Physiotherapy Association Pain Science Division Facebook page @PainPhysiosCan WCPT PhysiotherapyPainNetwork on Facebook @WCPTPTPN Neuroscience and Pain Science for Manual PTs Facebook page @dfjpt SomaSimple on Facebook @somasimple "Rene Descartes was very very smart, but as it turned out, he was wrong." ~Lorimer Moseley “Comment is free, but the facts are sacred.” ~Charles Prestwich Scott, nephew of founder and editor (1872-1929) of The Guardian , in a 1921 Centenary editorial “If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love you, but if you really make them think, they'll hate you." ~Don Marquis "In times of change, learners inherit the earth, while the learned find themselves beautifully equipped to deal with a world that no longer exists" ~Roland Barth "Doubt is not a pleasant mental state, but certainty is a ridiculous one."~Voltaire

22-01-2012, 05:03 PM	#19
byronselorme Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Hamilton, Ontario Age: 39 Posts: 1,389 Thanks: 748 Thanked 283 Times in 155 Posts	I have donated 50 euro, not showing yet though???? __________________ Byron Selorme - Science Based Yoga Educator Shavasana Yoga Center "The first principle is that you must not fool yourself - and you are the easiest person to fool" Richard Feynman

22-01-2012, 07:34 PM	#22
byronselorme Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Hamilton, Ontario Age: 39 Posts: 1,389 Thanks: 748 Thanked 283 Times in 155 Posts	Hi Marc, I only was making sure that I did not make a mistake. I hope everyone else is donating some portion of what they have received. I think my portion was at a ratio of about 1,000,000,000:1 for what I received in return. Keep fighting guys! __________________ Byron Selorme - Science Based Yoga Educator Shavasana Yoga Center "The first principle is that you must not fool yourself - and you are the easiest person to fool" Richard Feynman

22-01-2012, 09:48 PM	#23
Diane Human Primate Social Groomer and Neuroelastician Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Weyburn Sask. Posts: 19,812 Thanks: 1,543 Thanked 3,362 Times in 1,627 Posts	I guess the counter will catch up, one of these days, confirm then match the actual amount that's been donated. So, continue to DONATE! __________________ Diane www.dermoneuromodulation.com SensibleSolutionsPhysiotherapy HumanAntiGravitySuit blog Neurotonics PT Teamblog Diane Jacobs.com (personal website) Canadian Physiotherapy Pain Science Division (Archived newsletters) Canadian Physiotherapy Association Pain Science Division Facebook page @PainPhysiosCan WCPT PhysiotherapyPainNetwork on Facebook @WCPTPTPN Neuroscience and Pain Science for Manual PTs Facebook page @dfjpt SomaSimple on Facebook @somasimple "Rene Descartes was very very smart, but as it turned out, he was wrong." ~Lorimer Moseley “Comment is free, but the facts are sacred.” ~Charles Prestwich Scott, nephew of founder and editor (1872-1929) of The Guardian , in a 1921 Centenary editorial “If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love you, but if you really make them think, they'll hate you." ~Don Marquis "In times of change, learners inherit the earth, while the learned find themselves beautifully equipped to deal with a world that no longer exists" ~Roland Barth "Doubt is not a pleasant mental state, but certainty is a ridiculous one."~Voltaire

23-01-2012, 02:09 AM	#24
caro Arbiter Join Date: Jan 2011 Age: 44 Posts: 696 Thanks: 1,211 Thanked 447 Times in 178 Posts	Well I have every confidence Bernard will reach his goal. (After all, Somasimple is a place where you signal your appreciation of someone's post with a button that says Thanks which is a contraction of thank you as opposed to FB's Like button, which is a contraction of I like. ) __________________ Carol Lynn Chevrier LMT "Beaucoup d'entre nous mourront ainsi sans jamais être nés à leur humanité, ayant confiné leurs systèmes associatifs à l'innovation marchande, en couvrant de mots la nudité simpliste de leur inconscient dominateur." Henri Laborit - 1914-1995 .

26-01-2012, 04:28 PM	#29
estherderu SomaSimpler Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: spain Age: 62 Posts: 159 Thanks: 10 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	which method and who are these people? dear Bernard, Could you tell us which people (which method) we are talking about.???? I have not heard of this before AT ALL, and we are sort of neighbours.... It might get more interest if we (colleagues around the corner) knew about it. And have you considered asking the WCPT for help? Not so much financially but supportively?? please share information... maybe we can do something more kind regards Esther

26-01-2012, 05:20 PM	#30
bernard Admin, Moderator... Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: France Age: 56 Posts: 12,029 Thanks: 260 Thanked 157 Times in 97 Posts	The whole story could be found here (in French) : Mise en Demeure __________________ Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication. L VINCI We are to admit no more causes of natural things than such as are both true and sufficient to explain their appearances. I NEWTON Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not a bit simpler. If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough. Albert Einstein bernard

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