[Critical Thinking] Please sign our petition to better PT ed - Page 2

MaxG · 20-12-2011, 06:45 PM

Just letting you know that I have signed the petition as well and will try to spread the word around here, if that helps your cause.

**Diane** · 20-12-2011, 07:38 PM

Every little bit helps, Max.

Jon Newman · 21-12-2011, 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by TexasOrtho

The benefits of something happening outweigh the risk of me getting more spam.

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Originally Posted by Jon Newman

That's for sure. And you can always "unsubscribe" if you start getting unwanted email. I've signed a number of petitions through this change.org and registered with the site and I only occasionally get emails about petitions they think I might be interested in. I'm guessing it works a bit like Amazon guessing what books you might want to buy.

I ended up having to go in and manage my mail preferences at the site to discontinue having stuff mailed to me as it was becoming increasingly frequent. Now I'm not receiving any notices from them.

The petition is up to 320 at last check. That seems underwhelming to me.

**Diane** · 22-12-2011, 03:18 AM

What does this mean to US PTs? Anything?
Political opportunity for massage therapists, from Ravensara's blog.

Jon Newman · 23-12-2011, 01:21 AM

Diane,

You may consider starting a new thread for that as I'm sure it will steer well away from Joe's petition. Anyway, here is another perspective on that provision.

TexasOrtho · 23-12-2011, 01:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Diane

What does this mean to US PTs? Anything?
Political opportunity for massage therapists, from Ravensara's blog.

I'm not sure it means much at all for a few reasons Diane. Firstly, there will likely be major changes to Obamacare in the coming years, particularly once the numbers actually hit the books. Secondly, there's not a huge overlap between massage therapists and PTs anymore in terms of what's actually done in the clinic. I rarely encounter PTs "giving massages" these days.

**Diane** · 23-12-2011, 01:41 AM

I didn't mean in terms of what's done to patients, I meant in terms of positioning.

TexasOrtho · 23-12-2011, 01:56 AM

Very little for the same reasons I just listed.

**Diane** · 23-12-2011, 01:58 AM

K then.

**Diane** · 23-12-2011, 02:43 AM

C'mon people. This petition isn't going to sign itself...

Jon Newman · 24-12-2011, 02:26 PM

Michael Shacklock signed. It's still a pathetically low response but the signers are in good company.

Where are all the students of Shacklock, Moseley, Dorko, Pearson, etc?

Let's see if this link works. If not, I'll correct it later.

http://blogs.suntimes.com/ebert/asse...oon-42079.html

(hat tip: Roger Ebert)

**Barrett Dorko** · 24-12-2011, 02:33 PM

Jon,

Thanks for asking about my students. I'll also make sure to alert all the therapists I've worked wi...Sorry, I couldn't keep a straight face.

**Diane** · 26-12-2011, 02:09 AM

Bump... bumpity bump.

**zimney3pt** · 03-01-2012, 06:47 PM

Wanted to add another bump with this research study to add some fuel to the fire.

From that article:

Quote:

It is possible that an overly biomedical focus during educational sessions exacerbates these maladaptive beliefs and, consequently, results in clinicians making recommendations to patients that are inconsistent with the recommendations of the CPG, as was observed in our study.

Quote:

The high number of physical therapy students with inappropriate beliefs, despite the instruction that they have received, has forced us to rethink the methods of training students to treat lumbar pathology and to examine its biopsychosocial aspects. It is possible that changing the beliefs and attitudes about back pain in the early stages of training could lead to changes in the most enduring beliefs that could then be applied when the students start their professional practice.

**John W** · 03-01-2012, 07:41 PM

Good one, Kory. Provides some validation to my supposition that the only way PT is going to change is by starting with students very early on in their education.

proud · 04-01-2012, 07:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zimney3pt

Wanted to add another bump with this research study to add some fuel to the fire.

From that article:

And this:

http://ptjournal.apta.org/content/91...ge=1&view=FitH

TexasOrtho · 05-01-2012, 12:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by John W

Good one, Kory. Provides some validation to my supposition that the only way PT is going to change is by starting with students very early on in their education.

Exactly.

Jon Newman · 05-01-2012, 01:02 AM

John and Rod,

What would you change in the early education of students? I think a lot of students got indoctrinated* in bone out of place and alignment type thinking early on in their education, hence the problems we have now. While I support the directive of the petition, my concern is that as new information is revealed PTs may struggle with the same inertia problem it's currently experiencing.

I don't think just saying "Most of what I tell you today will proved wrong by the time you graduate" or something to that effect because people already say that as predictably as the small print on a financial transaction.

* I'm using indoctrination because passing tests require PTs to express these ideas. While some may simply know what answer is being looked for, I suspect many others will actually internalize the ideas.

TexasOrtho · 05-01-2012, 02:41 AM

My faculty dream job: teach 1st year pathophysiology.

**zimney3pt** · 05-01-2012, 05:37 PM

Jon, I think Rod is right that it needs to be taught 1st year and then infused into almost every class. I admit being a little over bias in the importance of this information and other faculty might not agree with me and that it would be overkill.

I think starting with IASP guidelines for PT Programs Curriculum is probably the best start at this point.

**John W** · 05-01-2012, 06:55 PM

In that first year pathophysiology course that Rod dreams about, in a section on pain I'd include frequent and detailed references to neuromatrix theory. I would continually contrast the traditional theories of PT with the more accurate and defensible explanations contained within neuromatrix theory. I'd introduce the concept of defense versus defect with respect to how PTs have traditionally evaluated postural deviations, and then utlize currently available information on the neurodynamics concept to provide rational and plausible scientific support of defense over defect.

I'd make a clear distinction between the traditional biomedical model versus the biopsychosocial model and relate this to an interactive versus operative approach to care. The role of self-efficacy in recovery from persistent pain problems would be a major theme throughout all clinical coursework.

I understand that this would be a radical departure from what PT students are learning now, and making this information consistent with what is needed for the licensure exam would be the biggest challenge. However, we've discussed here in detail methods to make the journey across the chasm more clinically palatable.

Jon Newman · 12-01-2012, 06:03 PM

Looking at the numbers today, I feel my profession is worth leaving.

joebrence9 · 12-01-2012, 09:17 PM

Yea I am really disappointed by this considering the number of blogs and groups that posted this...I am not quite sure what to think...I wonder what kind of support it would have gotten if i were to incorporate more MFR in schools?

**Diane** · 12-01-2012, 09:30 PM

You can always try again some other time Joe. Maybe just before Christmas wasn't the best time to try to light this kind of fire. Wet kindling. Wetter than most other times of the year.

**zimney3pt** · 13-01-2012, 05:16 AM

Could be a timing issue. My personal thought is:

One, many therapists think yea we learned there were c-fibers and A-delta fibers that transmit pain and the spinal cord has some GATE thing that can block pain and that is why TENS works, what else do they need to know why change anything. Isn't it more important to learn what is wrong with the structure of the body to stop those pain fibers from firing.

Two, I'm not for getting politically involved in anything, maybe if it might help me get reimbursed for something or if it is Chiro or some other health profession is encroaching my turf, but everything else I like to just keep to myself and do my job.

Three, aren't they the academic people, shouldn't they know what the latest research is and shouldn't they be doing it if it was important?

**Diane** · 13-01-2012, 05:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zimney3pt

One, many therapists think yea we learned there were c-fibers and A-delta fibers that transmit pain and the spinal cord has some GATE thing that can block pain and that is why TENS works, what else do they need to know why change anything. Isn't it more important to learn what is wrong with the structure of the body to stop those pain fibers from firing.

Two, I'm not for getting politically involved in anything, maybe if it might help me get reimbursed for something or if it is Chiro or some other health profession is encroaching my turf, but everything else I like to just keep to myself and do my job.

Three, aren't they the academic people, shouldn't they know what the latest research is and shouldn't they be doing it if it was important?

Unfortunately, you're likely right - ignorance and apathy.

joebrence9 · 11-02-2012, 02:32 AM

57 signs this week. This ia compared to 1 last week. Is someone promoting this?

**Diane** · 11-02-2012, 02:41 AM

It's making another round through twitter. It's getting support from outside the US (I think a few signers and tweeters from Spain).

20-12-2011, 07:38 PM	#52
Diane Human Primate Social Groomer and Neuroelastician Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Weyburn Sask. Posts: 19,666 Thanks: 1,484 Thanked 3,184 Times in 1,565 Posts	Every little bit helps, Max. __________________ Diane www.dermoneuromodulation.com SensibleSolutionsPhysiotherapy HumanAntiGravitySuit blog Neurotonics PT Teamblog Diane Jacobs.com (personal website) Canadian Physiotherapy Pain Science Division (Archived newsletters) Canadian Physiotherapy Association Pain Science Division Facebook page @PainPhysiosCan WCPT PhysiotherapyPainNetwork on Facebook @WCPTPTPN Neuroscience and Pain Science for Manual PTs Facebook page @dfjpt SomaSimple on Facebook @somasimple "Rene Descartes was very very smart, but as it turned out, he was wrong." ~Lorimer Moseley “Comment is free, but the facts are sacred.” ~Charles Prestwich Scott, nephew of founder and editor (1872-1929) of The Guardian , in a 1921 Centenary editorial “If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love you, but if you really make them think, they'll hate you." ~Don Marquis "In times of change, learners inherit the earth, while the learned find themselves beautifully equipped to deal with a world that no longer exists" ~Roland Barth "Doubt is not a pleasant mental state, but certainty is a ridiculous one."~Voltaire

22-12-2011, 03:18 AM	#54
Diane Human Primate Social Groomer and Neuroelastician Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Weyburn Sask. Posts: 19,666 Thanks: 1,484 Thanked 3,184 Times in 1,565 Posts	What does this mean to US PTs? Anything? Political opportunity for massage therapists, from Ravensara's blog. __________________ Diane www.dermoneuromodulation.com SensibleSolutionsPhysiotherapy HumanAntiGravitySuit blog Neurotonics PT Teamblog Diane Jacobs.com (personal website) Canadian Physiotherapy Pain Science Division (Archived newsletters) Canadian Physiotherapy Association Pain Science Division Facebook page @PainPhysiosCan WCPT PhysiotherapyPainNetwork on Facebook @WCPTPTPN Neuroscience and Pain Science for Manual PTs Facebook page @dfjpt SomaSimple on Facebook @somasimple "Rene Descartes was very very smart, but as it turned out, he was wrong." ~Lorimer Moseley “Comment is free, but the facts are sacred.” ~Charles Prestwich Scott, nephew of founder and editor (1872-1929) of The Guardian , in a 1921 Centenary editorial “If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love you, but if you really make them think, they'll hate you." ~Don Marquis "In times of change, learners inherit the earth, while the learned find themselves beautifully equipped to deal with a world that no longer exists" ~Roland Barth "Doubt is not a pleasant mental state, but certainty is a ridiculous one."~Voltaire

23-12-2011, 01:21 AM	#55
Jon Newman Enjoy a moment of whimsy Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 9,024 Thanks: 5 Thanked 54 Times in 40 Posts	Diane, You may consider starting a new thread for that as I'm sure it will steer well away from Joe's petition. Anyway, here is another perspective on that provision. __________________ "I did a small amount of web-based research, and what I found is disturbing"--Bob Morris

23-12-2011, 01:41 AM	#57
Diane Human Primate Social Groomer and Neuroelastician Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Weyburn Sask. Posts: 19,666 Thanks: 1,484 Thanked 3,184 Times in 1,565 Posts	I didn't mean in terms of what's done to patients, I meant in terms of positioning. __________________ Diane www.dermoneuromodulation.com SensibleSolutionsPhysiotherapy HumanAntiGravitySuit blog Neurotonics PT Teamblog Diane Jacobs.com (personal website) Canadian Physiotherapy Pain Science Division (Archived newsletters) Canadian Physiotherapy Association Pain Science Division Facebook page @PainPhysiosCan WCPT PhysiotherapyPainNetwork on Facebook @WCPTPTPN Neuroscience and Pain Science for Manual PTs Facebook page @dfjpt SomaSimple on Facebook @somasimple "Rene Descartes was very very smart, but as it turned out, he was wrong." ~Lorimer Moseley “Comment is free, but the facts are sacred.” ~Charles Prestwich Scott, nephew of founder and editor (1872-1929) of The Guardian , in a 1921 Centenary editorial “If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love you, but if you really make them think, they'll hate you." ~Don Marquis "In times of change, learners inherit the earth, while the learned find themselves beautifully equipped to deal with a world that no longer exists" ~Roland Barth "Doubt is not a pleasant mental state, but certainty is a ridiculous one."~Voltaire

23-12-2011, 01:56 AM	#58
TexasOrtho Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Huffman, TX Age: 41 Posts: 1,320 Thanks: 278 Thanked 212 Times in 82 Posts	Very little for the same reasons I just listed. __________________ Rod Henderson, PT, OCS "To teach is to create a space in which the community of truth is practiced" - Parker Palmer

20-12-2011, 06:45 PM	#51
MaxG Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Berlin, Germany Posts: 313 Thanks: 83 Thanked 102 Times in 65 Posts	Just letting you know that I have signed the petition as well and will try to spread the word around here, if that helps your cause.

23-12-2011, 01:58 AM	#59
Diane Human Primate Social Groomer and Neuroelastician Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Weyburn Sask. Posts: 19,666 Thanks: 1,484 Thanked 3,184 Times in 1,565 Posts	K then. __________________ Diane www.dermoneuromodulation.com SensibleSolutionsPhysiotherapy HumanAntiGravitySuit blog Neurotonics PT Teamblog Diane Jacobs.com (personal website) Canadian Physiotherapy Pain Science Division (Archived newsletters) Canadian Physiotherapy Association Pain Science Division Facebook page @PainPhysiosCan WCPT PhysiotherapyPainNetwork on Facebook @WCPTPTPN Neuroscience and Pain Science for Manual PTs Facebook page @dfjpt SomaSimple on Facebook @somasimple "Rene Descartes was very very smart, but as it turned out, he was wrong." ~Lorimer Moseley “Comment is free, but the facts are sacred.” ~Charles Prestwich Scott, nephew of founder and editor (1872-1929) of The Guardian , in a 1921 Centenary editorial “If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love you, but if you really make them think, they'll hate you." ~Don Marquis "In times of change, learners inherit the earth, while the learned find themselves beautifully equipped to deal with a world that no longer exists" ~Roland Barth "Doubt is not a pleasant mental state, but certainty is a ridiculous one."~Voltaire

23-12-2011, 02:43 AM	#60
Diane Human Primate Social Groomer and Neuroelastician Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Weyburn Sask. Posts: 19,666 Thanks: 1,484 Thanked 3,184 Times in 1,565 Posts	C'mon people. This petition isn't going to sign itself... __________________ Diane www.dermoneuromodulation.com SensibleSolutionsPhysiotherapy HumanAntiGravitySuit blog Neurotonics PT Teamblog Diane Jacobs.com (personal website) Canadian Physiotherapy Pain Science Division (Archived newsletters) Canadian Physiotherapy Association Pain Science Division Facebook page @PainPhysiosCan WCPT PhysiotherapyPainNetwork on Facebook @WCPTPTPN Neuroscience and Pain Science for Manual PTs Facebook page @dfjpt SomaSimple on Facebook @somasimple "Rene Descartes was very very smart, but as it turned out, he was wrong." ~Lorimer Moseley “Comment is free, but the facts are sacred.” ~Charles Prestwich Scott, nephew of founder and editor (1872-1929) of The Guardian , in a 1921 Centenary editorial “If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love you, but if you really make them think, they'll hate you." ~Don Marquis "In times of change, learners inherit the earth, while the learned find themselves beautifully equipped to deal with a world that no longer exists" ~Roland Barth "Doubt is not a pleasant mental state, but certainty is a ridiculous one."~Voltaire

24-12-2011, 02:26 PM	#61
Jon Newman Enjoy a moment of whimsy Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 9,024 Thanks: 5 Thanked 54 Times in 40 Posts	Michael Shacklock signed. It's still a pathetically low response but the signers are in good company. Where are all the students of Shacklock, Moseley, Dorko, Pearson, etc? Let's see if this link works. If not, I'll correct it later. http://blogs.suntimes.com/ebert/asse...oon-42079.html (hat tip: Roger Ebert) __________________ "I did a small amount of web-based research, and what I found is disturbing"--Bob Morris Last edited by Jon Newman; 24-12-2011 at 02:41 PM.

24-12-2011, 02:33 PM	#62
Barrett Dorko Writer and Clinician Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Cuyahoga Falls, Ohio Age: 61 Posts: 12,651 Thanks: 605 Thanked 1,458 Times in 860 Posts	Jon, Thanks for asking about my students. I'll also make sure to alert all the therapists I've worked wi...Sorry, I couldn't keep a straight face. __________________ Barrett L. Dorko P.T. www.barrettdorko.com

26-12-2011, 02:09 AM	#63
Diane Human Primate Social Groomer and Neuroelastician Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Weyburn Sask. Posts: 19,666 Thanks: 1,484 Thanked 3,184 Times in 1,565 Posts	Bump... bumpity bump. __________________ Diane www.dermoneuromodulation.com SensibleSolutionsPhysiotherapy HumanAntiGravitySuit blog Neurotonics PT Teamblog Diane Jacobs.com (personal website) Canadian Physiotherapy Pain Science Division (Archived newsletters) Canadian Physiotherapy Association Pain Science Division Facebook page @PainPhysiosCan WCPT PhysiotherapyPainNetwork on Facebook @WCPTPTPN Neuroscience and Pain Science for Manual PTs Facebook page @dfjpt SomaSimple on Facebook @somasimple "Rene Descartes was very very smart, but as it turned out, he was wrong." ~Lorimer Moseley “Comment is free, but the facts are sacred.” ~Charles Prestwich Scott, nephew of founder and editor (1872-1929) of The Guardian , in a 1921 Centenary editorial “If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love you, but if you really make them think, they'll hate you." ~Don Marquis "In times of change, learners inherit the earth, while the learned find themselves beautifully equipped to deal with a world that no longer exists" ~Roland Barth "Doubt is not a pleasant mental state, but certainty is a ridiculous one."~Voltaire

03-01-2012, 07:41 PM	#65
John W Harmless creampuff Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: New Orleans, LA Age: 48 Posts: 4,643 Thanks: 614 Thanked 966 Times in 436 Posts	Good one, Kory. Provides some validation to my supposition that the only way PT is going to change is by starting with students very early on in their education. __________________ John Ware, PT Fellow of the American Academy of Orthopedic Manual Physical Therapists "Nothing can bring a man peace but the triumph of principles." -R.W. Emerson “If names be not correct, language is not in accordance with the truth of things. If language be not in accordance with the truth of things, affairs cannot be carried on to success.” -The Analects of Confucius, Book 13, Verse 3

05-01-2012, 01:02 AM	#68
Jon Newman Enjoy a moment of whimsy Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 9,024 Thanks: 5 Thanked 54 Times in 40 Posts	John and Rod, What would you change in the early education of students? I think a lot of students got indoctrinated* in bone out of place and alignment type thinking early on in their education, hence the problems we have now. While I support the directive of the petition, my concern is that as new information is revealed PTs may struggle with the same inertia problem it's currently experiencing. I don't think just saying "Most of what I tell you today will proved wrong by the time you graduate" or something to that effect because people already say that as predictably as the small print on a financial transaction. * I'm using indoctrination because passing tests require PTs to express these ideas. While some may simply know what answer is being looked for, I suspect many others will actually internalize the ideas. __________________ "I did a small amount of web-based research, and what I found is disturbing"--Bob Morris

05-01-2012, 02:41 AM	#69
TexasOrtho Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Huffman, TX Age: 41 Posts: 1,320 Thanks: 278 Thanked 212 Times in 82 Posts	My faculty dream job: teach 1st year pathophysiology. __________________ Rod Henderson, PT, OCS "To teach is to create a space in which the community of truth is practiced" - Parker Palmer

05-01-2012, 05:37 PM	#70
zimney3pt life long learner, clinician, and instructor Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Sioux City, IA Age: 43 Posts: 1,902 Thanks: 149 Thanked 676 Times in 265 Posts	Jon, I think Rod is right that it needs to be taught 1st year and then infused into almost every class. I admit being a little over bias in the importance of this information and other faculty might not agree with me and that it would be overkill. I think starting with IASP guidelines for PT Programs Curriculum is probably the best start at this point. __________________ Kory Zimney, PT, DPT http://koryzimney.blogspot.com "Study principles not methods, a mind that can grasp principles will create its own methods." - Gill "All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them." - Galileo Galilei

05-01-2012, 06:55 PM	#71
John W Harmless creampuff Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: New Orleans, LA Age: 48 Posts: 4,643 Thanks: 614 Thanked 966 Times in 436 Posts	In that first year pathophysiology course that Rod dreams about, in a section on pain I'd include frequent and detailed references to neuromatrix theory. I would continually contrast the traditional theories of PT with the more accurate and defensible explanations contained within neuromatrix theory. I'd introduce the concept of defense versus defect with respect to how PTs have traditionally evaluated postural deviations, and then utlize currently available information on the neurodynamics concept to provide rational and plausible scientific support of defense over defect. I'd make a clear distinction between the traditional biomedical model versus the biopsychosocial model and relate this to an interactive versus operative approach to care. The role of self-efficacy in recovery from persistent pain problems would be a major theme throughout all clinical coursework. I understand that this would be a radical departure from what PT students are learning now, and making this information consistent with what is needed for the licensure exam would be the biggest challenge. However, we've discussed here in detail methods to make the journey across the chasm more clinically palatable. __________________ John Ware, PT Fellow of the American Academy of Orthopedic Manual Physical Therapists "Nothing can bring a man peace but the triumph of principles." -R.W. Emerson “If names be not correct, language is not in accordance with the truth of things. If language be not in accordance with the truth of things, affairs cannot be carried on to success.” -The Analects of Confucius, Book 13, Verse 3

12-01-2012, 06:03 PM	#72
Jon Newman Enjoy a moment of whimsy Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 9,024 Thanks: 5 Thanked 54 Times in 40 Posts	Looking at the numbers today, I feel my profession is worth leaving. __________________ "I did a small amount of web-based research, and what I found is disturbing"--Bob Morris

12-01-2012, 09:17 PM	#73
joebrence9 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Pittsburgh, Pa Posts: 435 Thanks: 148 Thanked 229 Times in 104 Posts	Yea I am really disappointed by this considering the number of blogs and groups that posted this...I am not quite sure what to think...I wonder what kind of support it would have gotten if i were to incorporate more MFR in schools? __________________ Joseph Brence, DPT "Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds" - Albert Einstein Blog: www.forwardthinkingpt.com

12-01-2012, 09:30 PM	#74
Diane Human Primate Social Groomer and Neuroelastician Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Weyburn Sask. Posts: 19,666 Thanks: 1,484 Thanked 3,184 Times in 1,565 Posts	You can always try again some other time Joe. Maybe just before Christmas wasn't the best time to try to light this kind of fire. Wet kindling. Wetter than most other times of the year. __________________ Diane www.dermoneuromodulation.com SensibleSolutionsPhysiotherapy HumanAntiGravitySuit blog Neurotonics PT Teamblog Diane Jacobs.com (personal website) Canadian Physiotherapy Pain Science Division (Archived newsletters) Canadian Physiotherapy Association Pain Science Division Facebook page @PainPhysiosCan WCPT PhysiotherapyPainNetwork on Facebook @WCPTPTPN Neuroscience and Pain Science for Manual PTs Facebook page @dfjpt SomaSimple on Facebook @somasimple "Rene Descartes was very very smart, but as it turned out, he was wrong." ~Lorimer Moseley “Comment is free, but the facts are sacred.” ~Charles Prestwich Scott, nephew of founder and editor (1872-1929) of The Guardian , in a 1921 Centenary editorial “If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love you, but if you really make them think, they'll hate you." ~Don Marquis "In times of change, learners inherit the earth, while the learned find themselves beautifully equipped to deal with a world that no longer exists" ~Roland Barth "Doubt is not a pleasant mental state, but certainty is a ridiculous one."~Voltaire

13-01-2012, 05:16 AM	#75
zimney3pt life long learner, clinician, and instructor Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Sioux City, IA Age: 43 Posts: 1,902 Thanks: 149 Thanked 676 Times in 265 Posts	Could be a timing issue. My personal thought is: One, many therapists think yea we learned there were c-fibers and A-delta fibers that transmit pain and the spinal cord has some GATE thing that can block pain and that is why TENS works, what else do they need to know why change anything. Isn't it more important to learn what is wrong with the structure of the body to stop those pain fibers from firing. Two, I'm not for getting politically involved in anything, maybe if it might help me get reimbursed for something or if it is Chiro or some other health profession is encroaching my turf, but everything else I like to just keep to myself and do my job. Three, aren't they the academic people, shouldn't they know what the latest research is and shouldn't they be doing it if it was important? __________________ Kory Zimney, PT, DPT http://koryzimney.blogspot.com "Study principles not methods, a mind that can grasp principles will create its own methods." - Gill "All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them." - Galileo Galilei

11-02-2012, 02:32 AM	#77
joebrence9 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Pittsburgh, Pa Posts: 435 Thanks: 148 Thanked 229 Times in 104 Posts	57 signs this week. This ia compared to 1 last week. Is someone promoting this? __________________ Joseph Brence, DPT "Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds" - Albert Einstein Blog: www.forwardthinkingpt.com

11-02-2012, 02:41 AM	#78
Diane Human Primate Social Groomer and Neuroelastician Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Weyburn Sask. Posts: 19,666 Thanks: 1,484 Thanked 3,184 Times in 1,565 Posts	It's making another round through twitter. It's getting support from outside the US (I think a few signers and tweeters from Spain). __________________ Diane www.dermoneuromodulation.com SensibleSolutionsPhysiotherapy HumanAntiGravitySuit blog Neurotonics PT Teamblog Diane Jacobs.com (personal website) Canadian Physiotherapy Pain Science Division (Archived newsletters) Canadian Physiotherapy Association Pain Science Division Facebook page @PainPhysiosCan WCPT PhysiotherapyPainNetwork on Facebook @WCPTPTPN Neuroscience and Pain Science for Manual PTs Facebook page @dfjpt SomaSimple on Facebook @somasimple "Rene Descartes was very very smart, but as it turned out, he was wrong." ~Lorimer Moseley “Comment is free, but the facts are sacred.” ~Charles Prestwich Scott, nephew of founder and editor (1872-1929) of The Guardian , in a 1921 Centenary editorial “If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love you, but if you really make them think, they'll hate you." ~Don Marquis "In times of change, learners inherit the earth, while the learned find themselves beautifully equipped to deal with a world that no longer exists" ~Roland Barth "Doubt is not a pleasant mental state, but certainty is a ridiculous one."~Voltaire

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