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Old 22-03-2006, 06:01 AM   #1
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Some one use Poser for animation?
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Old 22-03-2006, 07:31 AM   #2
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Hi Georgess and welcome,

I'm owning Poser 5 but found it very difficult to use so... It requires practice and I haven't time.
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I have Poser 3 and have never used it more than a few times - it's fascinating but relatively complex and I haven't mastered it to any extent.

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Hi Georgess,

I'm working with Poser for several years, actually Poser 6. As Bernard and Nari told, very interesting, but you have to spend a lot of time and animation is very difficult to realize. Nevertheless, I have some nice pictures for my courses and my book and it should destress me a bit.
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Fine, Jan !!!!
We will have some discussion during workshop!
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Is poser part of photoshop?
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No, Diane.

Poser is a software mainly used for crimes scenes and situations.
poser V
the american site is
http://www.e-frontier.com/

(but seems inactive for me at the time)
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Does not work here either.

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Hi Bernard and everybody

Like everyone told, poser isn’t easy to use but can work with movement in an accurate manner (moving in all axis and translation). So I use it to make gait animation to explain it to clients. I use the poser 6. It’s a nice tool for Physical Therapy, in my opinion.

Here an example of a walk pattern of excessive movement of pronation of the right foot in the impulsion phase of gait (clip AVI compacted with winrar).
http://rapidshare.de/files/16153773/...poral.rar.html

Excellent pictures Jan. Do you have some figures of the musculature to use in Poser to arrange me?

Sorry for my poor writing I’m a Brazilian physiotherapist.

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Hello George:

Just , i like to say that your English is very good and your writing is fine .I am Second English speaker like you .

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George, your English is just fine. This is an English language site from France run by a French administrator with English speaking moderators and most of the membership is comprised of people from many other languages. It was intended from the beginning to be international/inclusive/supportive of all/everyone trying to wade through the process of posting in English. (So welcome!)
I like the pictures!
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Hi Bernard and everybody

Like everyone told, poser isn’t easy to use but can work with movement in an accurate manner (moving in all axis and translation). So I use it to make gait animation to explain it to clients. I use the poser 6. It’s a nice tool for Physical Therapy, in my opinion.

Here an example of a walk pattern of excessive movement of pronation of the right foot in the impulsion phase of gait (clip AVI compacted with winrar).
http://rapidshare.de/files/16153773/...poral.rar.html

Excellent pictures Jan. Do you have some figures of the musculature to use in Poser to arrange me?

Sorry for my poor writing I’m a Brazilian physiotherapist.

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Hi George,

you can combine Poser with Photoshop or use 3Ds Max and create some nice pictures like this

Muscle.jpgMontage.jpgVascu.jpg

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Jan, is that a depiction of vasa nervorum on the right? And do I see nervi vasorum?
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Jan, is that a depiction of vasa nervorum on the right? And do I see nervi vasorum?
Hi Diane,

indeed, you see the fascicular arrangement in a peripheral nerve, with the nervi vasorum. In the next step I'll construct the blood supply and the innervation inside the nerve with a moving camera. This will take some time, I suppose
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Jan, you are going to make life much easier for the concrete thinkers of which I am one! Good work.

I want to hire you to make exploded images of all the muscles connected to various bits. The Bodyworld exhibition did something like this with actual bodies, but I think constructed images would be clearer. And you could proceed through each joint.. and you could tease apart the layers, show how they spiral, and how the "wiring" and "plumbing" threads through predictable grommet holes.

After that project is complete you could move on to do blowups of skin segments, depicting the skin ligaments, how they are conduits for small final twigs of cutaneous nerves, how the final twigs branch enormously into the canopy of sensory nerve endings. See how I could keep you busy for years and years?
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I'm very sorry, but I haven't enough time for your marvellous idea.
By the way, I'm coming to Canada (Montreal) tomorrow for a neurodynamic course
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It's ok Jan, somehow I figured you wouldn't want the job. It pays nothing at all. Alas for me, I will have to do this the hard way, making drawings then photographing them to put on the computer to organize them post-fact.

Have fun in Montreal!
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Georges,

It's a fine movie but you may consider that Poser is computing walging with some of the variables you gave. In my opinion, it works but it's vary hard to reproduce real life. A limping is a huge job to achieve with such sofware because you're working in the opposite way as needed.

I would prefer a motion capture that shows bones and muscles acting. They do not really exist. Muscles are just computed once more.
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Even if you choose a "scientific" software =>
http://www.biomotionlab.ca/Demos/BMLwalker.html
You get the same problems: Try with this one to make a limping man.

It give some caricatural sways where "points"/spots are a consequence of each other but you can't see the resistances neither pain.

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I agree with u Bernard that we can’t mimesis the movement considering their complexity and variability. It is what’s beautiful in the movement. I imagine that I don’t explain the objective clear. The intent in makes a move to show some displacement of the body is to show how some segments can move and, in base of some biomechanical theories, why stress some muscle, tendon, bone or articulations. The population, in a generalizations matter, doesn’t have knowledge about the self-body. Showing the movement, explain the function of some muscle in control of the movement and the over tension there with the excessive movement, they can, many times, understating their problem and reduce their anxiety about the dysfunction. The satisfaction with the therapy has a direct relation to the explanation to the client. I can observe this. So animation doesn’t reproduce the real movement, but can be used dependent of the objective (illustrate the body anatomy and clarify the movement).

Thanks Diane, let’s combine that if u doesn’t understating any item tell me

Thanks Jan I will try the 3d latter.
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