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Old 20-06-2017, 12:53 AM   #1
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Rather than use the word natural, which has been misused and might mean all kinds of things, I prefer the phrase naturally occurring. It implies something will happen as the end result of something else.

Of course, my detractors will say that one thing "causes" another and the issue of "cause" I have spoken of often - using the word "origin" to describe painful complaints.

I would love some discussion of this.
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Perhaps I should say that the motion that is instinctive, not consciously generated, ideomotoric, secondary to thought and unplanned would be a naturally occurring event.
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Old 20-06-2017, 11:27 AM   #3
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I would say that much of therapy has been revealed in this blog. By virtue of the training, many therapists think they understand things they've never questioned.

What humans (the vast majority of our patients) do to avoid discomfort is what occurs naturally. That hasn't been part of treatment very often. There's no money in it.
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So, what would occur naturally?

What we've done here is identified which bits of behavior are those chosen by our nature and those chosen by the culture that surrounds us. This is a difficult, large ad important distinction. It's not all that easy either.

I would assume that what is fashionable is very effective, powerful and human. Certain people, for instance, follow fashion very carefully, some create fashion. I've certainly followed it, and I know of its significance in my own life.

What parts of therapy are fashionable (another word is "trendy") and what is naturally occurring?

Isn't the distinction something we as therapists should attend to?
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Perhaps avoiding paths that were trendy and/or fashionable has something to do with this blog post.

Did Wall simply follow that which was not obvious?
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Old 21-06-2017, 02:44 PM   #6
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You are right that the distinction between our nature and our culture is not easy to establish. Our nature is that of a tribal human, which automatically creates common "culture" in whatever form. It is in our nature to belong.

As humans we struggle (or should!) daily trying to balance what benefits us personally and physically, versus what benefits us as a social being.

Ideomotion suffers frequent defeat in that....
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Bas,

You're right, it is our (well, yours and mine) nature to get along. More yours than mine, I guess.

Some of us are more charming than others. Perhaps looking at "charm" and what it comes from would be useful. One of the favorite things said of me in response to a comment to the contrary was, "He's not charming." I tend not to be. Drat!

My fascination with Gregory House had to with the fact that he wasn't charming.

Actually, I am charming. I think so. I'm almost sure.
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Saying (even if I say it) that some are more charming than me, well, it's hardly a recommendation.

Anyway, getting along is a very, very powerful way of getting others to behave a certain way. Being charming is one way of getting others to behave. Many think we're charming just because we smile.

Doing some sort of naturally occurring motion designed to reduce nociceptive addition to the left side, well, you know.

How might that be done? When? Why?
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I say that there are four ways nervous tissue might contribute significantly to nociception. Any of these might rise or fall and what they're doing is almost entirely invisible. Any of the four might become prominent and, of course, all can occur at once.

Corrective motion has been proposed as one mechanism to reduce nociceptive firing, and that is a naturally occurring event.

What the motion doesn't do is legion, and naturally occurring events like this are often lost or prevented in humans for a variety of reasons. I contend that anything that catalyzes corrective movement (it reduces the patient's complaint of pain) cannot be easily placed within the protocols of care developed and followed by most therapists.

Yea, I said it.
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True. that.

And Barrett, you are charming but many people can't seem to separate your personality from what you say about therapy.

Also a common cultural trap!
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Bas,

I suppose I could have acted nicer. I appreciate acting, but I'm not as good at it as some are. My skills, such as they are, seem to be elsewhere.

Where? That's a little hard to say.
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