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Todd Hargrove in the Seattle area maintains "Better Movement" blog. His latest post is a classic, explains manual therapy, perfectly, as the two-faced offspring of dualism from 400 years ago (which also still afflicts, permeates, biomedicine in general).
Soulless bodies and Bodiless souls. Quote:
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Thanks for the mention Diane!
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Thank you for writing it! It is exactly the problem.
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Does anterior pelvic tilt cause low back pain? - another great blogpost from Todd.
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To me seems like the ancient debate of idealism vs. realism of Galen and ancient Greeks. Where idealism/rationialism represent vitalism; and realism/empiricism repesent structuralism.
We may have kicked this around already. "Galen proved by studies that the brain controlled the motions of the muscles by the cranial and peripheal nervous systems." Wikipedai |
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Great writing Todd!
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Just a quick question for Todd regarding structuralism - I noticed from your website that you work as a Rolfer, obviously a form of Structural Integration. As a current SI student myself (KMI) I am finding it difficult to reconcile the neuro-based stuff I am learning from sources such as your website and these forums with what I am learning in class, a lot of which is currently well, structural, with an emphasis on body reading and working with fascia.
The ideas seem to conflict in many ways (although I probably need to do more reading) and I wanted to know if you you have had to adapt your Rolfing at all to accommodate these new ideas, particularly regarding the lack of evidence in structure and posture having a significant impact on pain? When you go through the ten series with a client, are you still trying to change them posturally? |
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Hi Sophie,
That is a great question. Yes I do adapt the way I work, which is a challenge. My clients come to me expecting that I have the ability to deform their structure into a different shape, and I don't really believe I can do that. I try to convince them that I will make changes by communicating with their nervous systems. Some are pleased because then the work doesn't need to hurt. Some are actually disappointed because for they wanted me to push as hard as possible while they try to deal with the pain. As some of the people on this board have said, you don't necessarily have to change your tools, just your rationale for why you are using them. By the way, there are some roflers who are far more into the nervous system perspective than others, as you may have noticed. Robert Schlelip, Don Hazen and Jon Martine come to mind. |
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Another good post by Todd on foam rolling. Following the bread crumbs will lead you to A Critical Appraisal of the Foam Rolling Research by Greg Lehman, by Bret Contreras. I don't know if Bret is here (he may be), but I recognize Greg's name. Also mentioned are Paul Ingraham and Jason Silvernail.
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Thanks for posting in this section. I am slowly learning the set-up of the forums, and hope to come back to this in the near future and do some more indepth reading.
My comment here is a bit of a tracker, so I don't loose the info.
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Hi Todd!
I really enjoyed your insight, as well as the comments in the subsequent exhanges. I liked Byron's "Fascial Frenzy" line, and your response to the "meat metaphor." "Perhaps I could have said in my post that butchers and cooks don’t use foam rollers – they use knives and hours of boiling." Good stuff! |
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Thanks Ken,
Yes the comments on that post are definitely better than the post itself. I had some very good help from my readers! |
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Another great post from Todd, The Paradox of Placebo and the Health Governor, talking about The evolutionary psychology of healing: A human success story, in this months Cell Biology, open access, by Nicholas Humphrey and John Skoyles.
Excerpt from Todd: Quote:
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In The Bridge on the River Kwai there's a scene where the doctor explains to Alec Guinness that the men can't heal because they aren't being fed enough. This was a movie from 1957.
This seems to fit here, and, once again, Hollywood leads the way (yes, yes, I know it was a British film, but they don't have a town with a catchy name like that, to my knowledge). |
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Link to article about Central Governor, that Todd posted on.
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