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Old 14-06-2011, 12:45 AM   #1
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Default Dorko's Diamonds "Learning from the shadows"

Folks,

I"m starting a little experiment with Barrett.

Every few days, I'll post something from our workshop this Saturday. I'm calling them "Dorko's Diamonds".

They'll be little "gems" from the seminar that I hope spreads the message more.

This one is called "Learning from the shadows".

Let me know what you think!

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Old 14-06-2011, 12:54 AM   #2
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Well, I like it, but that may not count.
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Old 14-06-2011, 01:07 AM   #3
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I like it too. Which, I hope, counts a tiny bit. Somehow.
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Ha! They both count. Maybe twice
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Great video quality Will. I thought a sticky like "Practice with Knowledge" might go good with this short diamond.

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Good sound too.

Well done Barrett and Will. I am really pleased to see that this is finally out there.
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Old 14-06-2011, 04:49 AM   #7
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YESSS! Good to see this - thanks to both of you.
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Minute 1:35 is key: "If you understand the theories behind pain, which are well-established, you'll come up with a way to help [patients]."
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Already looking forward to the next installment.
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This is great. I hope to see how we can make this type of project grow.

I "sat in" on a live course this past spring that was being streamed over the Internet as it happened in North Carolina. I was at my computer here in New York and able to ask questions through the moderator if needed while watching. It was very cool.

Barrett or Will, do you think this type of process would be possible for a one-day seminar like this again in the future?
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Thanks for sharing Will.

Barrett great wisdom as usual.

I had a sense there might be more metaphor from "Learning from the Shadows", so I googled shadows and found this from Jung Psychology in Wikipedia...interesting...

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In Jungian psychology, the shadow or "shadow aspect" is a part of the unconscious mind consisting of repressed weaknesses, shortcomings, and instincts. It is one of the three most recognizable archetypes, the others being the anima and animus and the persona. "Everyone carries a shadow," Jung wrote, "and the less it is embodied in the individual's conscious life, the blacker and denser it is."[1] It may be (in part) one's link to more primitive animal instincts,[2] which are superseded during early childhood by the conscious mind.
According to Jung, the shadow, in being instinctive and irrational, is prone to projection: turning a personal inferiority into a perceived moral deficiency in someone else. Jung writes that if these projections are unrecognized "The projection-making factor (the Shadow archetype) then has a free hand and can realize its object--if it has one--or bring about some other situation characteristic of its power." [3] These projections insulate and cripple individuals by forming an ever thicker fog of illusion between the ego and the real world.
From one perspective, 'the shadow...is roughly equivalent to the whole of the Freudian unconscious';[4] and Jung himself considered that 'the result of the Freudian method of elucidation is a minute elaboration of man's shadow-side unexampled in any previous age'.[5]
Jung also believed that "in spite of its function as a reservoir for human darkness—or perhaps because of this—the shadow is the seat of creativity.";[6] so that for some, it may be, 'the dark side of his being, his sinister shadow...represents the true spirit of life as against the arid scholar'.[7]
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Yes Kory, this is roughly where I'm headed in the Lacuna thread.

I heard about "the golden shadow" while listening to Robert Bly in the early 90s and the concept never left me.
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Jung also believed that "in spite of its function as a reservoir for human darkness—or perhaps because of this—the shadow is the seat of creativity.";[6] so that for some, it may be, 'the dark side of his being, his sinister shadow...represents the true spirit of life as against the arid scholar'.[7]
Repress your innate creativity- whatever form that may take- at your own peril.

I know many men who've succumb to this shadow, who completely sacrificed their creative impulses to meet the demands of the culture and industrialized society. Worst of all, they accepted a stale and overbearing religiosity, which allowed them to "project" their personal morality and judgments onto others.

Men have pain alright, but they anesthetize it with alcohol/drugs, sex and toys. Women can't get away with this behavior so much because they have to take care of the kids. So, they're the ones we see in our clinics mostly.

The modern man doesn't feel his authentic self.
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We need to go into the shadows to where the person in pain is. As we interact and try to be contextual architects we try to help them come out of the shadows. When one comes out of the shadows they have to wait to allow themselves to adjust to the light, or they can quickly run back into the shadows. If we are equipped with the neuroscience of pain as Barrett points to, then and only then do we have a chance to help that unique individual find their personal instinctive path out of the shadow into the light.
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My understanding of the shadow has to do with the physical metaphor of something blocking the light. When we stand in the way of the light (goodness, Socrates I) we cast our shadow onto the perfectly authentic subject.
Barrett, your quote in this piece is so relevant because pain science allows us to to accept that what we are examining is real and not something made up by the patient for what ever reason our profession thinks makes sense.
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Great point Gil, often times, we the therapist are casting the largest shadow onto the patient.
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Sounds like a great idea to me. Keep posting the videos, thanks
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Really nice to see you in action Barrett!
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This is great. I hope to see how we can make this type of project grow.

I "sat in" on a live course this past spring that was being streamed over the Internet as it happened in North Carolina. I was at my computer here in New York and able to ask questions through the moderator if needed while watching. It was very cool.

Barrett or Will, do you think this type of process would be possible for a one-day seminar like this again in the future?
+1 for a webinar.
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If a webinar cuts down on the travel I have to do I'm certainly in favor.
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This is great. I hope to see how we can make this type of project grow.

I "sat in" on a live course this past spring that was being streamed over the Internet as it happened in North Carolina. I was at my computer here in New York and able to ask questions through the moderator if needed while watching. It was very cool.

Barrett or Will, do you think this type of process would be possible for a one-day seminar like this again in the future?
Let me see what I can work out. That would be much easier
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