How dare they

**Barrett Dorko** · 08-07-2011, 12:32 PM

Seth Godin’s blogpost from Thursday this week is titled The arrogance of willful ignorance. The title caught my eye right away so I let Seth write the original portions of this post (quoted) and I added some other stuff.

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People have come before us, failed, learned, written it down. Scientists have figured out what works, and proven it. Economists have gained significant understanding about the long-term impacts of short-term decisions. And historians have seen it all before.

Neuroscience has demonstrated the significance of the brain’s contribution to pain. It’s been researched, published, lectured about and turned into clinical methods. This is all years old.

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How dare we, then, decide to just wing it? To skip class. To make up history. To imagine that science is a matter of opinion, something optional, a diversion for the leisure classes... How can we work in the marketing tech field, for example, without knowing about David Ogilvy and Lester Wunderman and Claude Hopkins? Or Kaushik and Shirky?

How dare therapists just try and remember what they might have learned in school? Sometimes they remember a name or two, maybe a theory, but mostly a method, and the method does little or nothing. They’ve never heard of, much less read anything by Melzack, Moseley, Wall, Ramachandran or Butler.

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If you're doing important work (and I'm hoping you are), then you owe it to your audience or your customers or your co-workers to learn everything you can. Feel free to ignore what you learn, but at least learn it.

I have nothing to add to that.

**zimney3pt** · 08-07-2011, 02:59 PM

**Bas Asselbergs** · 08-07-2011, 03:11 PM

I'll second that, Kory!

**Diane** · 08-07-2011, 04:07 PM

It's that pesky need to be creative even if all the blocks fall over, coupled with a constant ratio of stupidity embedded in the social interface of every group. (I still maintain that some groups must select harder for this than do other groups, though.)

**Barrett Dorko** · 08-07-2011, 06:13 PM

The number of retweets and visits here indicate I’ve struck a nerve (pun, again, intended).

I’ve long been very influenced by Charles D. Hayes.

What he says goes right through me.

Jon Newman · 08-07-2011, 08:14 PM

I loaned my copy of The Rapture of Maturity to my student. I don't think she actually read it. Or at least not most of it. But I did give her a few books to consider. Still, that one might have been the more foundational text to advocate for.

I learned about it from you.

**Barrett Dorko** · 08-07-2011, 08:45 PM

Jon,

Glad to hear that.

Mine is full of red underlinings and notes in the margins.

Jon Newman · 08-07-2011, 09:46 PM

There might have been a few notes and underlines in my copy. But it was obtained in my pre-underlining/marginal notes days. Perhaps I'll re-read it and with pen in hand.

Thanks for the recommendation.

Erica · 09-07-2011, 01:03 AM

If we remain content with our current knowledge then we might as well just pack it all in now and call it a life... How many books do we have piled up on the floor next to the desk or bed just waiting to be read? I have lost count at this point!

Erica
BTW Barrett, Have fun with the interview on Monday-I will be listening!

**Barrett Dorko** · 09-07-2011, 02:06 AM

Hi Erica,

I'm preparing this weekend. It should go well.

Once a week I walk through the new non-fiction section of the Cuyahoga Falls Public Library.

Yesterday I found Teach Us To Sit Still.

I'll be writing about it next week.

**keithp** · 09-07-2011, 03:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Erica

If we remain content with our current knowledge then we might as well just pack it all in now and call it a life...

Agreed...one of my favorite lyrics (from a metal band, no less) hits on the same subject/thought:

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If I started from the top and had to work my way down, there'd be no reason to live forever. -John Petrucci

Erica · 09-07-2011, 04:06 PM

Barrett-Let me know how the book is-the reviews on Amazon look good.
Erica

**Barrett Dorko** · 09-07-2011, 04:41 PM

Erica,

I figure by next Wednesday I'll have something. Seven blog posts a week makes you plan a bit ahead.

08-07-2011, 02:59 PM	#2
zimney3pt life long learner, clinician, and instructor Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Sioux City, IA Age: 43 Posts: 1,902 Thanks: 149 Thanked 677 Times in 265 Posts	__________________ Kory Zimney, PT, DPT http://koryzimney.blogspot.com "Study principles not methods, a mind that can grasp principles will create its own methods." - Gill "All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them." - Galileo Galilei

08-07-2011, 03:11 PM	#3
Bas Asselbergs Physiotherapist Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Canada Age: 61 Posts: 3,696 Thanks: 841 Thanked 485 Times in 234 Posts	I'll second that, Kory! __________________ We don't see things as they are, we see things as WE are - Anais Nin Pain is a conscious correlate of the implicit perception of threat to body tissue - Lorimer Moseley

08-07-2011, 04:07 PM	#4
Diane Human Primate Social Groomer and Neuroelastician Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Weyburn Sask. Posts: 19,677 Thanks: 1,490 Thanked 3,198 Times in 1,571 Posts	It's that pesky need to be creative even if all the blocks fall over, coupled with a constant ratio of stupidity embedded in the social interface of every group. (I still maintain that some groups must select harder for this than do other groups, though.) __________________ Diane www.dermoneuromodulation.com SensibleSolutionsPhysiotherapy HumanAntiGravitySuit blog Neurotonics PT Teamblog Diane Jacobs.com (personal website) Canadian Physiotherapy Pain Science Division (Archived newsletters) Canadian Physiotherapy Association Pain Science Division Facebook page @PainPhysiosCan WCPT PhysiotherapyPainNetwork on Facebook @WCPTPTPN Neuroscience and Pain Science for Manual PTs Facebook page @dfjpt SomaSimple on Facebook @somasimple "Rene Descartes was very very smart, but as it turned out, he was wrong." ~Lorimer Moseley “Comment is free, but the facts are sacred.” ~Charles Prestwich Scott, nephew of founder and editor (1872-1929) of The Guardian , in a 1921 Centenary editorial “If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love you, but if you really make them think, they'll hate you." ~Don Marquis "In times of change, learners inherit the earth, while the learned find themselves beautifully equipped to deal with a world that no longer exists" ~Roland Barth "Doubt is not a pleasant mental state, but certainty is a ridiculous one."~Voltaire

08-07-2011, 06:13 PM	#5
Barrett Dorko Writer and Clinician Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Cuyahoga Falls, Ohio Age: 61 Posts: 12,681 Thanks: 615 Thanked 1,487 Times in 872 Posts	The number of retweets and visits here indicate I’ve struck a nerve (pun, again, intended). I’ve long been very influenced by Charles D. Hayes. What he says goes right through me. __________________ Barrett L. Dorko P.T. www.barrettdorko.com

08-07-2011, 08:14 PM	#6
Jon Newman Enjoy a moment of whimsy Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 9,024 Thanks: 5 Thanked 55 Times in 41 Posts	I loaned my copy of The Rapture of Maturity to my student. I don't think she actually read it. Or at least not most of it. But I did give her a few books to consider. Still, that one might have been the more foundational text to advocate for. I learned about it from you. Last edited by Jon Newman; 08-07-2011 at 08:18 PM.

08-07-2011, 08:45 PM	#7
Barrett Dorko Writer and Clinician Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Cuyahoga Falls, Ohio Age: 61 Posts: 12,681 Thanks: 615 Thanked 1,487 Times in 872 Posts	Jon, Glad to hear that. Mine is full of red underlinings and notes in the margins. __________________ Barrett L. Dorko P.T. www.barrettdorko.com

08-07-2011, 09:46 PM	#8
Jon Newman Enjoy a moment of whimsy Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 9,024 Thanks: 5 Thanked 55 Times in 41 Posts	There might have been a few notes and underlines in my copy. But it was obtained in my pre-underlining/marginal notes days. Perhaps I'll re-read it and with pen in hand. Thanks for the recommendation.

09-07-2011, 01:03 AM	#9
Erica Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: New York, NY Posts: 358 Thanks: 8 Thanked 20 Times in 9 Posts	If we remain content with our current knowledge then we might as well just pack it all in now and call it a life... How many books do we have piled up on the floor next to the desk or bed just waiting to be read? I have lost count at this point! Erica BTW Barrett, Have fun with the interview on Monday-I will be listening!

09-07-2011, 02:06 AM	#10
Barrett Dorko Writer and Clinician Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Cuyahoga Falls, Ohio Age: 61 Posts: 12,681 Thanks: 615 Thanked 1,487 Times in 872 Posts	Hi Erica, I'm preparing this weekend. It should go well. Once a week I walk through the new non-fiction section of the Cuyahoga Falls Public Library. Yesterday I found Teach Us To Sit Still. I'll be writing about it next week. __________________ Barrett L. Dorko P.T. www.barrettdorko.com

09-07-2011, 04:06 PM	#12
Erica Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: New York, NY Posts: 358 Thanks: 8 Thanked 20 Times in 9 Posts	Barrett-Let me know how the book is-the reviews on Amazon look good. Erica

09-07-2011, 04:41 PM	#13
Barrett Dorko Writer and Clinician Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Cuyahoga Falls, Ohio Age: 61 Posts: 12,681 Thanks: 615 Thanked 1,487 Times in 872 Posts	Erica, I figure by next Wednesday I'll have something. Seven blog posts a week makes you plan a bit ahead. __________________ Barrett L. Dorko P.T. www.barrettdorko.com

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