[Visual] Rubbishy animations re: pain

**Diane** · 29-11-2011, 02:36 PM

I was sent this page by a facebook friend in Ireland. It is a bunch of scary s**t of the worst possible sort, conveying exactly the wrong psychosocial flavour, i.e., hopelessness and despair. Check it out for a good example of exactly how NOT to think about pain. Animations. All of them are mesodermlism at its finest but the one on pain is particularly gruesome. Plus, incorrect to boot.

**Bas Asselbergs** · 29-11-2011, 02:44 PM

Gruesome indeed.

**nari** · 29-11-2011, 08:01 PM

Animating the silliness of "pain signals" which 'tell' the brain about pain results in a more attractive myth to propagate .

Nari

**zimney3pt** · 29-11-2011, 08:16 PM

My back started to hurt just watching the animation.

**Aoibhean** · 30-11-2011, 10:29 AM

Hands up, I am that facebook friend!
First time here. This should probably go in the intros section, but hi all! I'm Aoibhean, a physio working in a small town in Ireland.

About this animation: this was posted on my university discussion board by one of the other students - we're studying for an MSc in Pain Management from Uni of Edinburgh. Part of the reason why I find this so horrifying is because - get this - we all spent six full weeks in September/October reading about, talking about, and generally waffling on about; the biopsychosocial model.

The fact that someone posted this after all that biopsychosocialism (followed by a few weeks of peripheral, spinal and brain mechanisms of pain) and thought it was a really great and helpful animation, just gives me... well... the shivers.

Here's a link to Moseley doing his very funny "popping spine" thing. Think he sums up the problem with this animation quite nicely.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ie5Jc...eature=related

**Karen L** · 30-11-2011, 10:40 AM

Aoibhean,

Dia dhuit.

Please feel welcome to post an introduction of yourself in the welcome thread. You have posted an excellent example from Lorimer. There is much more around here if you post a few more times and lots of resources.

Go raibh maith agat.

I am Karen the local language anorak. sláinte

**Aoibhean** · 30-11-2011, 12:56 PM

Thanks a mil Karen,
Wasn't expecting to receive an Irish welcome, I'm impressed

Lovely to use this site; it is a terrific resource. Should have posted here ages ago but it's one of those things I've just "gotten around to". Looking forward to participating.

**Barrett Dorko** · 30-11-2011, 12:59 PM

Welcome. We've no hope of changing things other than through the faculty such as yourself.

Glad to have you here.

**Bas Asselbergs** · 30-11-2011, 12:59 PM

Welcome Aoibhean, good to see another critical mind.

**Barrett Dorko** · 30-11-2011, 01:01 PM

For those interested in the new name here there's this.

**Aoibhean** · 30-11-2011, 02:11 PM

Barrett- Oh no! Don't do that. It's bad enough to have a name that looks like a collection of fridge magnets exploded (as a friend of my mom's once memorably said), without having its slightly cringey meaning known to all.

Having said that, thanks so much to you and Bas for the lovely welcomes.

Aoibhean (Eve-een)

**bernard** · 30-11-2011, 02:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aoibhean

Lovely to use this site; it is a terrific resource.

You're now granted to read a bit more.
The SomaSimplers' Group!

**Diane** · 30-11-2011, 02:23 PM

Hi Aoibhean,
(Pretty funny, the fridge magnet explosion allusion.

)
Here is a live link to the Welcome forum - it's a bit redundant at this point, but if you would start a thread there, it's appreciated as it helps us keep all the new arrivals straight.
So pleased you could make it to SS - welcome.
I look forward to hearing how your training goes.

Karen, you are a polymath in languages and so much other stuff!

**Aoibhean** · 30-11-2011, 03:37 PM

Thanks for that Bernard. Had a little moment of excitement-overwhelm there when I saw the "bit more" of available reading. Seems this site is going to provide an opportunity to improve not only my physio skills, but also my French.

Diane, thanks for nudging me to the site. Half of me is pleased to be here, and the other half is displeased with myself for not getting here sooner!

**amacs** · 30-11-2011, 08:39 PM

Hi Aoibhean

and welcome were you at Lorimer Moseley's lecture in Dublin in June?.

I'm with Kory on the effect of those animations - horrible - and teh only "hope" is big scary needles that get heated up to stuff your nerves in aaaahhhhhhhh

regards

ANdy

**byronselorme** · 01-12-2011, 01:33 AM

Hard to believe the 2 physicians on that site had any experience in Psychiatry. Apparently the mind was just a passive receptical for everything back in the 70's and 80's. I wonder if they have picked up a neuroscience book in the last decade

**Aoibhean** · 01-12-2011, 11:00 AM

Andy, "aaaaaaahhhhhh" is the word! Yes I was at that lecture; the CPSEM study day. It was very fun partly because I think it wasn't quite what most people were expecting. Presumably you were there too? I also saw him in Dublin with the "NOIsters" last year in April; were you there?

Aoibhean.

29-11-2011, 02:36 PM	#1
Diane Human Primate Social Groomer and Neuroelastician Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Weyburn Sask. Posts: 19,661 Thanks: 1,481 Thanked 3,175 Times in 1,558 Posts	Rubbishy animations re: pain I was sent this page by a facebook friend in Ireland. It is a bunch of scary st of the worst possible sort, conveying exactly the wrong psychosocial flavour, i.e., hopelessness and despair. Check it out for a good example of exactly how NOT to think about pain. Animations. All of them are mesodermlism at its finest but the one on pain is particularly gruesome. Plus, incorrect to boot. __________________ Diane www.dermoneuromodulation.com SensibleSolutionsPhysiotherapy HumanAntiGravitySuit blog Neurotonics PT Teamblog Diane Jacobs.com (personal website) Canadian Physiotherapy Pain Science Division (Archived newsletters) Canadian Physiotherapy Association Pain Science Division Facebook page @PainPhysiosCan WCPT PhysiotherapyPainNetwork on Facebook @WCPTPTPN Neuroscience and Pain Science for Manual PTs Facebook page @dfjpt SomaSimple on Facebook @somasimple "Rene Descartes was very very smart, but as it turned out, he was wrong."** ~Lorimer Moseley “Comment is free, but the facts are sacred.” ~Charles Prestwich Scott, nephew of founder and editor (1872-1929) of The Guardian , in a 1921 Centenary editorial “If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love you, but if you really make them think, they'll hate you." ~Don Marquis "In times of change, learners inherit the earth, while the learned find themselves beautifully equipped to deal with a world that no longer exists" ~Roland Barth "Doubt is not a pleasant mental state, but certainty is a ridiculous one."~Voltaire

29-11-2011, 02:44 PM	#2
Bas Asselbergs Physiotherapist Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Canada Age: 61 Posts: 3,693 Thanks: 834 Thanked 484 Times in 233 Posts	Gruesome indeed. __________________ We don't see things as they are, we see things as WE are - Anais Nin Pain is a conscious correlate of the implicit perception of threat to body tissue - Lorimer Moseley

29-11-2011, 08:16 PM	#4
zimney3pt life long learner, clinician, and instructor Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Sioux City, IA Age: 43 Posts: 1,902 Thanks: 149 Thanked 675 Times in 265 Posts	My back started to hurt just watching the animation. __________________ Kory Zimney, PT, DPT http://koryzimney.blogspot.com "Study principles not methods, a mind that can grasp principles will create its own methods." - Gill "All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them." - Galileo Galilei

30-11-2011, 12:59 PM	#8
Barrett Dorko Writer and Clinician Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Cuyahoga Falls, Ohio Age: 61 Posts: 12,635 Thanks: 605 Thanked 1,448 Times in 852 Posts	Welcome. We've no hope of changing things other than through the faculty such as yourself. Glad to have you here. __________________ Barrett L. Dorko P.T. www.barrettdorko.com

30-11-2011, 12:59 PM	#9
Bas Asselbergs Physiotherapist Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Canada Age: 61 Posts: 3,693 Thanks: 834 Thanked 484 Times in 233 Posts	Welcome Aoibhean, good to see another critical mind. __________________ We don't see things as they are, we see things as WE are - Anais Nin Pain is a conscious correlate of the implicit perception of threat to body tissue - Lorimer Moseley

29-11-2011, 08:01 PM	#3
nari NeuroNut Evangelist Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: ACT Aust Posts: 7,676 Thanks: 703 Thanked 230 Times in 164 Posts	Animating the silliness of "pain signals" which 'tell' the brain about pain results in a more attractive myth to propagate . Nari

30-11-2011, 10:29 AM	#5
Aoibhean SomaSimpler Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 16 Thanks: 3 Thanked 13 Times in 3 Posts	Hands up, I am that facebook friend! First time here. This should probably go in the intros section, but hi all! I'm Aoibhean, a physio working in a small town in Ireland. About this animation: this was posted on my university discussion board by one of the other students - we're studying for an MSc in Pain Management from Uni of Edinburgh. Part of the reason why I find this so horrifying is because - get this - we all spent six full weeks in September/October reading about, talking about, and generally waffling on about; the biopsychosocial model. The fact that someone posted this after all that biopsychosocialism (followed by a few weeks of peripheral, spinal and brain mechanisms of pain) and thought it was a really great and helpful animation, just gives me... well... the shivers. Here's a link to Moseley doing his very funny "popping spine" thing. Think he sums up the problem with this animation quite nicely. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ie5Jc...eature=related

30-11-2011, 10:40 AM	#6
Karen L Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Victoria Canada Posts: 1,518 Thanks: 37 Thanked 220 Times in 109 Posts	Aoibhean, Dia dhuit. Please feel welcome to post an introduction of yourself in the welcome thread. You have posted an excellent example from Lorimer. There is much more around here if you post a few more times and lots of resources. Go raibh maith agat. I am Karen the local language anorak. sláinte

30-11-2011, 12:56 PM	#7
Aoibhean SomaSimpler Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 16 Thanks: 3 Thanked 13 Times in 3 Posts	Thanks a mil Karen, Wasn't expecting to receive an Irish welcome, I'm impressed Lovely to use this site; it is a terrific resource. Should have posted here ages ago but it's one of those things I've just "gotten around to". Looking forward to participating.

30-11-2011, 01:01 PM	#10
Barrett Dorko Writer and Clinician Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Cuyahoga Falls, Ohio Age: 61 Posts: 12,635 Thanks: 605 Thanked 1,448 Times in 852 Posts	For those interested in the new name here there's this. __________________ Barrett L. Dorko P.T. www.barrettdorko.com

30-11-2011, 02:11 PM	#11
Aoibhean SomaSimpler Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 16 Thanks: 3 Thanked 13 Times in 3 Posts	Barrett- Oh no! Don't do that. It's bad enough to have a name that looks like a collection of fridge magnets exploded (as a friend of my mom's once memorably said), without having its slightly cringey meaning known to all. Having said that, thanks so much to you and Bas for the lovely welcomes. Aoibhean (Eve-een)

30-11-2011, 02:23 PM	#13
Diane Human Primate Social Groomer and Neuroelastician Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Weyburn Sask. Posts: 19,661 Thanks: 1,481 Thanked 3,175 Times in 1,558 Posts	Hi Aoibhean, (Pretty funny, the fridge magnet explosion allusion. ) Here is a live link to the Welcome forum - it's a bit redundant at this point, but if you would start a thread there, it's appreciated as it helps us keep all the new arrivals straight. So pleased you could make it to SS - welcome. I look forward to hearing how your training goes. Karen, you are a polymath in languages and so much other stuff! __________________ Diane www.dermoneuromodulation.com SensibleSolutionsPhysiotherapy HumanAntiGravitySuit blog Neurotonics PT Teamblog Diane Jacobs.com (personal website) Canadian Physiotherapy Pain Science Division (Archived newsletters) Canadian Physiotherapy Association Pain Science Division Facebook page @PainPhysiosCan WCPT PhysiotherapyPainNetwork on Facebook @WCPTPTPN Neuroscience and Pain Science for Manual PTs Facebook page @dfjpt SomaSimple on Facebook @somasimple "Rene Descartes was very very smart, but as it turned out, he was wrong." ~Lorimer Moseley “Comment is free, but the facts are sacred.” ~Charles Prestwich Scott, nephew of founder and editor (1872-1929) of The Guardian , in a 1921 Centenary editorial “If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love you, but if you really make them think, they'll hate you." ~Don Marquis "In times of change, learners inherit the earth, while the learned find themselves beautifully equipped to deal with a world that no longer exists" ~Roland Barth "Doubt is not a pleasant mental state, but certainty is a ridiculous one."~Voltaire

30-11-2011, 03:37 PM	#14
Aoibhean SomaSimpler Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 16 Thanks: 3 Thanked 13 Times in 3 Posts	Thanks for that Bernard. Had a little moment of excitement-overwhelm there when I saw the "bit more" of available reading. Seems this site is going to provide an opportunity to improve not only my physio skills, but also my French. Diane, thanks for nudging me to the site. Half of me is pleased to be here, and the other half is displeased with myself for not getting here sooner!

30-11-2011, 08:39 PM	#15
amacs A bear of little brain Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: UK Posts: 1,396 Thanks: 174 Thanked 255 Times in 128 Posts	Hi Aoibhean and welcome were you at Lorimer Moseley's lecture in Dublin in June?. I'm with Kory on the effect of those animations - horrible - and teh only "hope" is big scary needles that get heated up to stuff your nerves in aaaahhhhhhhh regards ANdy __________________ "Here is Edward Bear coming downstairs now, bump, bump, bump, on the back of his head behind Christopher Robin. It is, as far as he knows, the only way of coming downstairs, but sometimes he feels that there is another way, if only he could stop bumping for a moment and think of it." A.A. Milne Last edited by amacs; 30-11-2011 at 08:49 PM.

01-12-2011, 01:33 AM	#16
byronselorme Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Hamilton, Ontario Age: 39 Posts: 1,367 Thanks: 722 Thanked 279 Times in 151 Posts	Hard to believe the 2 physicians on that site had any experience in Psychiatry. Apparently the mind was just a passive receptical for everything back in the 70's and 80's. I wonder if they have picked up a neuroscience book in the last decade __________________ Byron Selorme - Science Based Yoga Educator Shavasana Yoga Center "The first principle is that you must not fool yourself - and you are the easiest person to fool" Richard Feynman

01-12-2011, 11:00 AM	#17
Aoibhean SomaSimpler Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 16 Thanks: 3 Thanked 13 Times in 3 Posts	Andy, "aaaaaaahhhhhh" is the word! Yes I was at that lecture; the CPSEM study day. It was very fun partly because I think it wasn't quite what most people were expecting. Presumably you were there too? I also saw him in Dublin with the "NOIsters" last year in April; were you there? Aoibhean.

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