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Old 23-01-2012, 12:50 PM   #1
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Hi All. I am a Chronic Pain PT in an ACT, CBT and graded exposure type MDT team which has a low opinion of interventional pain therapies such as injections, specific diagnoses or prescriptive exercise. I have come to this site by following the thread on Visceral Manipulation on ScienceBasedMedicine, enjoying Diane's post, following her links and here I am, joining the community. I welled up reading the ten points and the reading list. I have felt a bit of a voice in the wilderness and I hope that this community will be a Shangri La of EBM in the field I love with fellow professionals from the discipline I love. Yours with high hopes, Steve. ps professionally speaking I have quite a low opinion of hope....
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Hi Steve,

Maybe we can set up a Yorkshire branch of Somasimple!
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I don't think it would be too far fetched to consider a UK offshoot ---the opinions/generosity/resources and links to anything pain/movement and philosophy related are far more worthwhile than anything else out there...Welcome Steve!
I am in the opposite situation to you --a conventional pain clinic a bit of the time with little MD input and management seen as a last resort.
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Steve,

Thanks for coming here and for the intro. I've read that those who continually hope are making it clear that the present situation is unacceptable, and that's rather a complicated thing. After all, which situation are they talking about?

In any case, Soma Simple has much to offer and I hope (uh-oh) you'll contribute some of your own thoughts.

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I agree that getting UK groups together would be good for all. Steve, I work in Wakefield and Sheffield in Occupational Health. Will see anyone and everyone in pain.
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Hello Steve. Welcome - this path you've taken will sometimes make you feel like a lead character in Dawn of the Dead.
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Diane, your comments made me think of this recent post by Deric....I think the reason forums like this work perhaps is its populated by individual thinkers who are then free to make sense of the literature , apply things and report back . It's no surprise that many opt out of 'group think' .Deric's post explained a great deal about my own tendencies in this area.
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The one important exception to this dismal record is electronic brainstorming, where large groups outperform individuals; and the larger the group the better. The protection of the screen mitigates many problems of group work. This is why the Internet has yielded such wondrous collective creations. Marcel Proust called reading a “miracle of communication in the midst of solitude,” and that’s what the Internet is, too. It’s a place where we can be alone together — and this is precisely what gives it power.
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Welcome Steve, great to see another Uk based physio on the site. I am growing suspicious that Dave is trying to set up a North of England Chapter though!

Hope you enjoy the site - I have a moderately high opinion of hope - without it "ppl perish"

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Hello Steve and welcome.

Good to see the UK physios' presence is increasing. Unfortunately the same cannot be said for Aust physios, and it can't be due only to the relatively small population.

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Thanks for the welcome all. Having a littl etrouble navigating the site - It's soo big and I haven't worked out how to subscribe to a thread or be alerted to a comment - I will work it out
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Old 26-01-2012, 03:27 PM   #13
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Hi Dave, I would have sent you a personal mail but I need to post more before I build up my rep. I used to host a local pain physio meet here but it ended up just me, the skipton pain PT and the Leeds pain PT and my boss (manager and pain PT). Now three of us get together for peer supervision on a monthly basis because the Skipton lady comes to our office on the friday to do CFS PT. So the wider peer support folded. Much like the one hosted at Bradford Uni did four years ago.
Perhaps we could poke the PPA - physiotherapy pain association and see whether another try is worth a go. What do you think?
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Old 26-01-2012, 03:31 PM   #14
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I have found the subscribe button! Huzzah!
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Steve,

I haven't been involved for years but I am doing something for the PPA North later this spring (probably north of where you are --think north maybe northumberland and above ...) I have met one or two interested interested people through it.

I can sense the disinterest in the topic of ongoing pain in most of my colleagues. Run an update on the SI joint and see the numbers grow.......

I used to send lots of stuff to Louis when he edited the PPA journal --it was really intereting times I am not sure what is happening now. Send a p.m if you want to....maybe meet sometime ...The fantastic Yorkshire sculpture park near you?
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True the sculpture park would be a good venue. Nice cafe too.
I agree we are in the 'wrong' business' if right is getting rich or the acclaim of the masses of our profession. I despair when I read the post grad lecture circuit flyers. Vanity, vanity all is vanity! SIJ I ask you! Just because it has proved a safe revenue generator in other manual therapies. Pah! One of many Zombie ideas that will not stay dead.
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Hi Steve, Ian.

Meeting up would be great, Yorkshire scupture park is a fine venue. What ever happened to the PPA?

Steve, keep me informed of any meetings you have and I'll try and make one. Leeds area is no problem for me.
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Ian,Dave,Steve,

Please keep me in the loop, while a bit more than a bus or car journey I might be able to make it.

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The PPA is alive and well. The journal is now editored by Dr Nick Harland, NICE fellow and the latest one has a little bit from me on our teams use of the Pain Disability Questionaire and our results with it (NNT just over three for significant change). The organisation feels a bit low key but I cannot criticise as I have not the time to invest in it at the moment It might be something to discuss.
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Is the web site working? Or have they a new one I can't find?
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I have not been on their site in a very long time. There was nothing much on there to make me want to go back! I am geographically close to the journal editor Nick and I email him occasionally over stuff like outcome measures (his PhD was on that subject). So I kind of pay may dues and feel a part of the organisation but don't get involved because I have not so much 'free' time.
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web site is down I believe.

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