TED talk on chronic pain

jrob450 · 13-03-2012, 05:56 PM

Just watched this and thought I would share. If it has already been posted, I apologize.

The author does touch on plasticity and glial cells.

Enjoy.

http://www.ted.com/talks/lang/en/ell...onic_pain.html

**byronselorme** · 13-03-2012, 06:08 PM

Diane always get these ones it seems. If you are unsure just use the search.

But it caught my attention again

**John W** · 13-03-2012, 06:43 PM

Some good info there from Dr. Krane, but I hope he's not successful in convincing his colleagues and the public that pain is a "disease" and that better drugs are the answer.

I think that would be a step backwards.

**amacs** · 13-03-2012, 07:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by John W

Some good info there from Dr. Krane, but I hope he's not successful in convincing his colleagues and the public that pain is a "disease" and that better drugs are the answer.

I think that would be a step backwards.

Hi John

I understand where you are coming form and I agree with your stance on disease. However I for one would welcome better drugs whilst also noting that they are not the answerbut may be part of the answer

regards

ANdy
(the contrary - low blood sugars)

jrob450 · 13-03-2012, 10:22 PM

I assumed it was on here already but don't always have time during the work day to search. He does mention PT and OT but I thought he might have gotten into the treatment. Maybe utilizing the mirror

**John W** · 14-03-2012, 12:11 AM

ANdy,
I'm distrustful of biomedicine, but I'm not anti-pharmaceutical drug by any stretch. I look forward to biomedical research uncovering pharmaceutical methods of ameliorating the suffering and perhaps enhancing the recovery of certain patients where the stress/neuroimmune system has become so chaotic that they have become a walking jug of toxic chemistry.

However, the word "disease" for doctors is code for "our turf, back off".

I think the last 4 or 5 decades of their miserable record in treating persistent pain obviates their right to make that turf claim.

Pain is not a disease, yet, and we shouldn't let it become one.

**amacs** · 14-03-2012, 12:21 AM

no argument from on disease John, just some hair splitting on the pharmaceutical aspect

regards

ANdy

**ste5e** · 14-03-2012, 11:01 AM

I find the contrast between the effectiveness of pain relief in acute pain with its ineffectiveness in helping manage chronic pain a really useful lever to open the cracks in the sandstone (or more realistically the sand castles). If paracetamol, tramadol, MST work so well for a broken bone or sprain or headach why not on your pain here? The chronic pain experience is different, works on different pathways, in different places. This is evidence from their own experience and it makes them think where those places may be. That leads on to how we access them and effect change.
Kind thoughts,
Steve

jrob450 · 14-03-2012, 04:22 PM

I agree with not describing it as a disease. We talk about not catastrophizing our explanations of what is going on and calling chronic pain a disease may increase pain by itself.

13-03-2012, 05:56 PM	#1
jrob450 Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Nebraska Posts: 14 Thanks: 37 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	TED talk on chronic pain Just watched this and thought I would share. If it has already been posted, I apologize. The author does touch on plasticity and glial cells. Enjoy. http://www.ted.com/talks/lang/en/ell...onic_pain.html

13-03-2012, 06:08 PM	#2
byronselorme Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Hamilton, Ontario Age: 39 Posts: 1,367 Thanks: 726 Thanked 280 Times in 152 Posts	Diane always get these ones it seems. If you are unsure just use the search. But it caught my attention again __________________ Byron Selorme - Science Based Yoga Educator Shavasana Yoga Center "The first principle is that you must not fool yourself - and you are the easiest person to fool" Richard Feynman

13-03-2012, 06:43 PM	#3
John W Harmless creampuff Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: New Orleans, LA Age: 48 Posts: 4,643 Thanks: 618 Thanked 966 Times in 436 Posts	Some good info there from Dr. Krane, but I hope he's not successful in convincing his colleagues and the public that pain is a "disease" and that better drugs are the answer. I think that would be a step backwards. __________________ John Ware, PT Fellow of the American Academy of Orthopedic Manual Physical Therapists "Nothing can bring a man peace but the triumph of principles." -R.W. Emerson “If names be not correct, language is not in accordance with the truth of things. If language be not in accordance with the truth of things, affairs cannot be carried on to success.” -The Analects of Confucius, Book 13, Verse 3

14-03-2012, 12:11 AM	#6
John W Harmless creampuff Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: New Orleans, LA Age: 48 Posts: 4,643 Thanks: 618 Thanked 966 Times in 436 Posts	ANdy, I'm distrustful of biomedicine, but I'm not anti-pharmaceutical drug by any stretch. I look forward to biomedical research uncovering pharmaceutical methods of ameliorating the suffering and perhaps enhancing the recovery of certain patients where the stress/neuroimmune system has become so chaotic that they have become a walking jug of toxic chemistry. However, the word "disease" for doctors is code for "our turf, back off". I think the last 4 or 5 decades of their miserable record in treating persistent pain obviates their right to make that turf claim. Pain is not a disease, yet, and we shouldn't let it become one. __________________ John Ware, PT Fellow of the American Academy of Orthopedic Manual Physical Therapists "Nothing can bring a man peace but the triumph of principles." -R.W. Emerson “If names be not correct, language is not in accordance with the truth of things. If language be not in accordance with the truth of things, affairs cannot be carried on to success.” -The Analects of Confucius, Book 13, Verse 3

14-03-2012, 12:21 AM	#7
amacs A bear of little brain Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: UK Posts: 1,397 Thanks: 175 Thanked 255 Times in 128 Posts	no argument from on disease John, just some hair splitting on the pharmaceutical aspect regards ANdy __________________ "Here is Edward Bear coming downstairs now, bump, bump, bump, on the back of his head behind Christopher Robin. It is, as far as he knows, the only way of coming downstairs, but sometimes he feels that there is another way, if only he could stop bumping for a moment and think of it." A.A. Milne

13-03-2012, 10:22 PM	#5
jrob450 Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Nebraska Posts: 14 Thanks: 37 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	I assumed it was on here already but don't always have time during the work day to search. He does mention PT and OT but I thought he might have gotten into the treatment. Maybe utilizing the mirror

14-03-2012, 11:01 AM	#8
ste5e SomaSimpler Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Harrogate UK Age: 45 Posts: 433 Thanks: 267 Thanked 262 Times in 117 Posts	Medication I find the contrast between the effectiveness of pain relief in acute pain with its ineffectiveness in helping manage chronic pain a really useful lever to open the cracks in the sandstone (or more realistically the sand castles). If paracetamol, tramadol, MST work so well for a broken bone or sprain or headach why not on your pain here? The chronic pain experience is different, works on different pathways, in different places. This is evidence from their own experience and it makes them think where those places may be. That leads on to how we access them and effect change. Kind thoughts, Steve

14-03-2012, 04:22 PM	#9
jrob450 Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Nebraska Posts: 14 Thanks: 37 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	I agree with not describing it as a disease. We talk about not catastrophizing our explanations of what is going on and calling chronic pain a disease may increase pain by itself.

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