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http://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/Press.../01_19_06.html
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Diane, just wondering if this study was supported by the makers of the heat wrap? Guess that bias was excluded...?
A strip of webbing (Trochanter belt) is used in Women's Health (or was) to reduce pain caused by pubic symphysis instability pre and post natally. Seems unlikely a narrow strip would actually hold the dodgy joint 'together'..so I wonder if it was a modulating factor? Nari |
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Here is the actual abstract. It seems quite up and up, although there is no disclaimer at the bottom. (I think Johns Hopkins is a fairly reputable, financially independent source of medical research, isn't it? Anyone know otherwise?)
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Fair enough...Johns Hopkins is a reputable organisation, and the abstract suggest they were testing out the wrap's efficacy, rather than promoting it.
Interesting..... Nari |
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Hi Diane,
Sounds interesting - I'll have to have a read. Your summary of 'continuous neuromodulation & activity sounds very healthy. (Actually my model for sensory habituation fits that description as well). I wonder what the specifics of mechanism are. Will return when I have been to the site Jane Jane |
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Aloha! It is summer here and it's too HOT! More than this Johns Hopkins' study.
What kind of 'pain education' the authors used? Biomechanics + anatomy together or pain neurophysiology alone or pain neurophysiology together with biomechanics and anatomy? This could have a great impact on outcome measures? Perhaps, to encourage the patient to use this heat therapy 8 hours per day could be too much passive, and not so good in the long run. Although the result is satisfactory, it still needs better analysis of the study results. What about placebo? Well, the power of mind... But, acute low back pain is very very much easier to manage than chronic one. It has a natural story of recovery. Flávio. |
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Flavio,
I think the heat wraps are a self management strategy versus something like massage or manipulation or a hot pack applied in a clinic. Ideally, the person can put the heat wrap on and take it off at their leisure. I think the cost of the heat wrap could be a barrier for many people however. It would be interesting to know exactly what the education consisted of. Placebo is likely present but I don't see that as a bad thing nor does it rule out other possible physiological contributions. |
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Nice to hear from someone else not in the Winter north who is feeling the heat!! We are also having a bad run with that cursed sun - probably close to record high temperatures over weeks on end. I don't think it is the heat that is so effective - although it may help a bit- I reckon it is the effect of having contact with the skin as a neuromodulating effect. Placebo is present in everything - and it is a very useful modality. We are less effective than we think. But I agree with the education: what many PTs call education is mechanically based; talking about anatomy, discs, facets, etc. That probably is unhelpful, and might reinforce their "illness" meme. I still read many posts on other boards where they talk about facet joints / discs being 'pain generators'. I figured out about three years ago that there is no such thing as "pain input" -thanks to David Butler. As there does not seem to be a standard (yet) on pain education, we have no idea what was said, in the study. This is crucial. Many studies which state "physiotherapy had no effect" never state what was done; if it was ultrasound and exercises and stretches...it probably didn't effect anything useful. Nari |
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Maybe we should email the authors and find out what the education consisted of. I think there are contact emails in the study. Does someone want to take that on?
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I’ll take it! The mail is on the way and I report to you ASAP.
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Hi Soma Readers/Thinkers/Simplers,
My little two cents. If the difference between the two modalities is just physical then the first conclusion I'll make is this one: Using a mean gives good results. Using more means gives more results. The more you speak pleasantly to human beings, the more you have some chance they listen to you. Nothing mysterious in these results.
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You are a neuronut and a philosopher. Perfect combination.Nari |
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I will wait for the reply Mike.
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Aha! Nari smelled a rat and she was right...
http://www.medpagetoday.com/PrimaryC...ckPain/dh/2526 Quote:
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Has Johns Hopkins reputation been into Xeque-mate ???
Oh my God! Tha was not fun! A lt of vies????????? Flávio. |
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I think you can always be a bit suspicious when the article you're reading is a press release. Still, I've read and posted literature on the use of warming for relief of acute back pain. They did this with warming blankets in an ambulance and found decreased pain and narcotic use compared to controls if I remember correctly.
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Spine. 2004 Jul 15;29(14):1499-503.
Active warming during emergency transport relieves acute low back pain. Nuhr M, Hoerauf K, Bertalanffy A, Bertalanffy P, Frickey N, Gore C, Gustorff B, Kober A. STUDY DESIGN: Prospective randomized blinded trial in a prehospital emergency system. OBJECTIVES: To evaluate the effects of external active warming on acute back pain during rescue transport to hospital. BACKGROUND DATA: Acute low back pain is one of the complaints that most often entails a visit to the physician or use of the emergency system. Superficial (e.g., hydrocolloid packs) and deep heating (e.g., ultrasound) can relieve acute low back pain in a clinical setting. Recent data showed significant benefit for patients in pain from minor trauma treated by active warming during emergency transport. Accordingly, we tested the hypothesis that active warming would reduce pain and anxiety in patients with acute low back pain being transported to a hospital. METHODS: A total of 100 patients were included in our study. We selected only those suffering from acute pain > 60 mm on a visual analog scale in the lower back. Patients were randomly assigned to two groups: active warming with a carbon-fiber electric heating blanket (Group 1) versus passive warming with a woolen blanket (Group 2) during transfer to hospital. RESULTS.: Pain scores on arrival at the hospital differed significantly between Group 1 and Group 2 (P < 0.01). In Group 1, pain reduction from 74.2 +/- 8.5 mm VAS to 41.9 +/- 18.9 mm VAS (P < 0.01) was noted between departure from the emergency site and arrival at the hospital. Pain scores remained practically unchanged in Group 2 (73.3 +/- 11.9 mm VAS and 74.1 +/- 12.0 mm VAS). CONCLUSIONS: Active warming reduces acute low back pain during rescue transport. Publication Types: Clinical Trial Randomized Controlled Trial PMID: 15247569 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] Note the nearly 50% decrease in VAS scores compared to controls. Last edited by Jon Newman; 24-01-2006 at 05:48 AM. |
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Flavio, some of the best advice I was ever given on sorting out what to make of "research" was to screen it by asking oneself four simple questions: 1. Who did the research? 2. Why was the research done? 3. Who paid for the research? 4. Why does this research make the world a better place? The answers don't necessarily mean the research is bad, but the questions help put the whole thing into context, especially when there is corporate involvement, because there is likely to be a higher possibility of financial manipulation/contamination of some sort. The first press release had no disclaimer, (daily news release) but the second one (Medpage), a day later, was a different write-up; someone had taken the trouble to investigate a layer deeper and added critical "question 3." info.
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