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He begins this book with a tribute to Anton Van Leeuwenhoek, the father of microbiology and, for me, that’s all it took. Anybody who understands the significance of the deep model to this extent is going to get my attention immediately. If their conclusions prove rational and not decided upon before the evidence indicates what they should be, well, they’ve found a fan in me.
Dacher Keltner was a name new to me until recently but he appeared on Point of Inquiry as an authority respected by the Center for Inquiry so I paid attention immediately. When people whom you trust are recommending others, you listen. This also cuts down on the amount of investigation you have to do on your own. Keltner’s book is titled Born to Be Good: The Science of a Meaningful Life. It is as I had hoped, an examination of the deep model – a model that explains so much. Beyond that, it is a wonderful companion to many other books recommended here on Soma Simple. I hope you’ll get the book yourself and follow along as I introduce some of Keltner’s ideas, and that you’ll contribute your own thoughts. More soon. |
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Barrett if your interested I listened to a radio program on CBC called "Tapestry" that had an interview with Keltner talking about his book "Born to Good". It was quite interesting. It can be found in the CBC archieves. The interview was Apr 2 2009. Go to CBC.ca and search for Tapestry. I was reading Ronald Wright's book "What is America" at the time . Reading that book makes it diffucult to believe that humans are born to good [at least people of European descent]but I keep hoping that people like Keltner are right.
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In order to understand where Keltner is coming from you have to understand the Confucian concept of Jen: “a complex mix of kindness, humanity and respect that transpires between people.” To Keltner, a meaningful life is derived from its cultivation and, as Confucius observed, “(a person of Jen) wishing to establish his own character, also establishes the character of others…(they) bring the good things of others to completion and does not bring the bad things of others to completion.”
The “Jen ratio” is a simple way of seeing what surrounds you and its connection to the concept itself; the numerator is the good stuff and the denominator is the bad stuff. How does this display itself in your department? |
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I also listened to the Point of Inquiry interview and was very impressed with Keltner. I plan to buy the book which I have already skimmed through at a local Barnes & Noble; it looks fascinating to say the least!
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I went to the web site and invited the author here, or, at least somebody from there.
I think Confucius was on to something, and so is Keltner. Somewhere in between these two I wrote: Quote:
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Michelangelo was famous for his attitude toward the inert material he carved; he treated it as if it were alive in some way, “revealing” the figure within as he worked. One might say he “gave life” to the marble. I’m no Michelangelo but I have a distinct advantage when it comes to the materials I work with, and so do you. I wonder of Keltner understands this. |
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In a recent Radio Lab rebroadcast I’m pretty sure that the original work of William James was mentioned. The hosts spoke of James’ idea that emotion had its origin in the viscera and muscles. James reasoned that if this were the case, paralyzed individuals would lose some emotive capability. Though the idea had been dismissed for a long time, modern examination of this phenomenon has proven it to be true.
In the chapter Rational Irrationality he says: Quote:
An appeal to emotion then is provocative to any audience, and, if they aren’t especially interested in the plausibility of the basic premise, the speaker will be deemed successful; brilliant even. But most of all the audience will imagine that the one presenting the information wrapped in an emotion-laden package is a “good” person. This, of course, is a manipulation, and anyone capable of feeling the Jen that Confucius refers to will be bothered by what they’ve done. Of course, it is possible not to feel any of this. I included the link immediately preceding this because while Keltner makes a compelling case for our inherent goodness, he makes no mention of the possibility of inherent badness. If we assume that our profession is populated in the main by those who tend toward altruism and the like, it stands to reason that as a group we might more easily fall victim to those among us whose ulterior motives are hidden because they are wrapped in an emotive appeal. More soon. Last edited by Barrett Dorko; 26-05-2009 at 01:49 PM. |
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I emailed the author's web site and just got this in return:
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Post No. 8 is outstanding.
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