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I thought it would be helpful to start a thread discussing the neurophysiologic concept of summation. A convenient starting place is the wiki entry on the subject. It's short and I'm sure there is more to discuss. For example, is there a distinction between central summation and peripheral summation beyond the anatomic locations of the respective neurons?
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I'm attaching this 1995 article by Clifford Woolf that discusses the mechanisms of hyperalgesia and touches on temporal summation of peripheral C-fibers resulting in dorsal horn "wind-up."
The intrinsic changes in phenotype expression of neurons is fascinating to me. In particular, the effects of nerve growth factor (NGF) on nociceptor endings resulting in fiber sprouting from the dermis into the epidermis. It's an excellent review.
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Thank you for starting this thread Jon.
I cannot remember learning anything about this before. Not in the context of manual therapy, for sure. Butler has certainly covered peripheral sensitization thoroughly.
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Here is what temporal summation is according to the authors of the sham NDT article (p. 711):
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We were taught about summation in our neuroscience lectures in PT school. According to the 3rd edition of Principles of Neuroscience edited by Kandel, Schwartz, and Jessell:
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Do I have that right?
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In the excellent resource Pain: New Essays on Its Nature and the Methodology of Its Study, Murat Aydede and Don Price author a chapter titled The Experiential Use of Introspection in the Scientific Study of Pain and Its Integration with Third-Person Methodologies: The Experiential-Phenomenological Approach. Got that?
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Here are some definitions that are related to what we're discussing and good to understand in general.
From the IASP: Pain Threshold The least experience of pain which a subject can recognize. Note: Traditionally the threshold has often been defined, as we defined it formerly, as the least stimulus intensity at which a subject perceives pain. Properly defined, the threshold is really the experience of the patient, whereas the intensity measured is an external event. It has been common usage for most pain research workers to define the threshold in terms of the stimulus, and that should be avoided. However, the threshold stimulus can be recognized as such and measured. In psychophysics, thresholds are defined as the level at which 50% of stimuli are recognized. In that case, the pain threshold would be the level at which 50% of stimuli would be recognized as painful. The stimulus is not pain (q.v.) and cannot be a measure of pain. Pain Tolerance Level The greatest level of pain which a subject is prepared to tolerate. Note: As with pain threshold, the pain tolerance level is the subjective experience of the individual. The stimuli which are normally measured in relation to its production are the pain tolerance level stimuli and not the level itself. Thus, the same argument applies to pain tolerance level as to pain threshold, and it is not defined in terms of the external stimulation as such.
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Section 4.4 (from the same book and chapter referenced in post #6) is titled The Significance of Parallels between Pain Phenomenology and Central Neural Activity. In this section Price and Aydede make it a point to highlight that the subjective experience of pain, the sensory qualities, are the end result of the characteristics of the stimulus (duration, intensity, frequency), the transducing ability of the receptors (chemical, thermal, mechanical) and, importantly, "on integrative mechanisms of the central nervous system."
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So does anyone do heat taps (to test for temporal summation) in the clinic with their patients?
It doesn't seem like this would be particularly difficult and does seem to provide some information about the state of the state of the nervous system.
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Here are three different methods for determining temporal summation of thermal stimuli used by the authors in three different studies (not the exact same authors for every experiment).
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Actually, I have a number of technical questions that I'm trying to answer through reading a bit more.
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I just wanted to be sure I get this right.
Temporal summation is really of peripheral origin and starts because of a lasting (nociceptive and intense) stimulus. Any central processing (by efferent brain pathways) upregulating a pain state are not the temporal summation we are talking about here. So in a central sensitization state, temporal summation could be the means by which the external stimulis affected the CNS by creating the initial increased sensitivity. On top of this phenomenon, the up/downregulating pathways of the brain either increased or decreased the sensitization of the CNS creating the patient's observed sensitivity state. The way I understand it, temporal summation could be the initial wind up of the CNS ultimatly leading to central sensitization. Do I get it right ?
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Do psychosocial issues (like stress) yields the CNS a higher sensitivity for temporal summation?
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In a PPP how do we differentiate a problem mostly because of temporal summation (more of nociceptive origin) from a problem of a more central neurogenic origin (with little or no nociception stimuli ) ?
Both could have the same allodynia/hyperalgia feature, right ?
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Hi Frédéric,
Maybe someone has access to this article Price DD, Hu JW, Dubner R, Gracely RH. Peripheral suppression of first pain and central summation of second pain evoked by noxious heat pulses. Pain 1977;3:57–68. PubMed: 876667 My understanding is that temporal summation is the name given to an observable, repeatable phenomena. Quote:
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I keep emphasizing "amplified" because I believe it is normal to have an increased pain experience to repeated application of nociceptive stimuli and that it is the magnitude of the responses that we compare for degree of sensitivity or for the effectiveness of an intervention. That was my concern in my previous post. If we're comparing changes in the magnitude of a response, it seems important that we're capturing that data in a consistent manner and that is being done within the single studies I posted. However, the difference between the fifth and second pain rating is going to result in a different magnitude than the average pain rating for the first five impulses making comparisons across multiple studies quite difficult for the home enthusiast.
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I did some digging on scholarpedia about temporal summation. There were 35 hits from there. Perhaps they will be useful to someone else. I don't have time to dig deep into this today, but I can put it on the to-do list.
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